Is this tyre knackered?

sideways14a · 10 Feb 2020 at 11:44

Its that bad i wouldnt want to walk by it parked up at the kerb in case it caused me to slip.

Terminal_Boy · 10 Feb 2020 at 11:44

Iamzod said:
Where have I said I think it's even remotely acceptable?

I posted as I want the opinion of others as some people think I'm over reacting by saying that I don't want my daughter travelling in that car until the tyres are replaced.

Indeed you didn’t. My apologies.

Lopéz · 10 Feb 2020 at 12:07

ChrisLX200 said:
Just replace it. Period. It should have failed an MOT. I've tossed tyres in way better condition that that.

It doesn't fail any of the criteria in the Testing Manual so I disagree - it shouldn't have failed an MOT.

The criteria for condition is below:

(d) A tyre:

(i) with a cut in excess of the requirements deep enough to reach the ply or cords
(ii) with a lump, bulge or tear caused by separation or partial failure of its structure, including any lifting of the tread rubber or with cords exposed or damaged

When assessing cuts in a tyre, it is permissible to check whether a cut is deep enough to reach the ply or cord by using a blunt instrument to open the cut taking care not to cause further damage.

The following criteria should be used when assessing a cut in a tyre:

any ply or cord that can be seen without touching the tyre - fail
if by folding back rubber or opening a cut with a blunt instrument, so as not to cause further damage, exposed ply or cord can be seen irrespective of the size of the cut - fail
if a cut which is more than 25mm or 10% of the section width whichever is the greater, is opened with a blunt instrument and cords can be felt but not seen - fail

Before failing a cut, you must make sure it’s the cords that you can feel not a foreign object. If you’re not sure, then you should pass and advise.

When assessing lumps or bulges in a radial ply tyre, care should be taken to distinguish between normal undulations in the carcass, resulting from manufacturing, and lumps or bulges caused by structural deterioration.

Take extra care with stretched tyres because they’re more prone to sidewall damage.

That tyre does not exhibit any of the characteristics described in the reasons for refusal.

PiKe · 10 Feb 2020 at 12:25

Common sense doesn't come into it then?

Jono8 · 10 Feb 2020 at 12:27

Doesn't look great. Do you reckon it is still an original tyre from new?

Dangerous Dave · 10 Feb 2020 at 12:59

I wouldn't drive with a tyre like that.

I've just had similar with my mum's car, went for an MOT it had a bulge I had missed on the inside tyre wall. Garage told her budget tyres are fine so they slapped some random brand on the front, one side had done 26k ish with the tread at 4mm the other now brand new. My son is in the car fairly regularly I just borrowed it and replaced both front tyres with some Goodyears. I didn't tell her as I know she won't notice. Also annoying that I got the Goodyears for less than the garage charged for the budget tyre.

Last time she takes her car for an MOT !

Iamzod · 10 Feb 2020 at 13:00

Jono8 said:
Doesn't look great. Do you reckon it is still an original tyre from new?

Too much tread on it to have been on for the life of the car at 35k I reckon, I wouldn't be surprised if it's the original spare though or one that's been picked up 2nd hand from a scrap yard.

That said it's a little Meriva, totally unlike anything i've ever owned so god knows how they wear.

vanpeebles · 10 Feb 2020 at 13:10

I reckon a mouldy old tyre will be the least of your worries

Steampunk · 10 Feb 2020 at 15:31

Iamzod said:
Is this tyre past the point at which it should be used on the road? Somebody I know has just picked up an 08 plate car that has only has 35k on the clock so I don't know how old these tyres are.

The issue I have is they want to use it to ferry my 2 year old daughter around & with the state of these tyres i'm not sure that's really a good idea, what are peoples thoughts on here?

it's been an advisory on the last few MOT's.

Those are shot. I've seen tyres like that suddenly deflate as it cracks between the tread and the sidewall. As it was a performance car and the cracks started on the inside edge, you couldn't see it until it deflated and we took the wheel off.

Obviously it's not a problem if it lets go while stationary, but on a motorway or fast road, you don't want a sudden deflation.

beachBOYken · 10 Feb 2020 at 15:59

I wouldn’t put my worst enemy in a car with tyres like that.

Lopéz · 10 Feb 2020 at 17:31

PiKe said:
Common sense doesn't come into it then?

I'm just saying it isn't an MOT failure. Lots of comments in this thread about how it should have failed an MOT, but it isn't an MOT fail.

I'd replace it because it looks knackered.

ChrisLX200 · 10 Feb 2020 at 17:52

They'd ban you from a demolition derby track with a tyre like that lol. And if you got pulled up Mr. Plod might have a different opinion about whether it was road worthy or not.

[TW]Fox · 10 Feb 2020 at 18:59

Who owns the car? If it's a family member just replace the tyres. It's a bit more awkward if it isn't I guess.

Malevolence · 10 Feb 2020 at 19:14

Simple solution, you don't allow your Daughter to be in that person's care until they've sorted their dangerous tyres out.

andy_mk3 · 10 Feb 2020 at 19:19

ChrisLX200 said:
Just replace it. Period. It should have failed an MOT. I've tossed tyres in way better condition that that.

No it should not have failed the MOT.

That tyre is far from ideal, but is by no means unsafe. Definitely a strong advise to replace but it's not at risk of blowing out.

wedrum · 10 Feb 2020 at 19:26

Geez just change it

Firestar_3x · 10 Feb 2020 at 19:27

Lopéz said:
It doesn't fail any of the criteria in the Testing Manual so I disagree - it shouldn't have failed an MOT.

The criteria for condition is below:

(d) A tyre:

(i) with a cut in excess of the requirements deep enough to reach the ply or cords
(ii) with a lump, bulge or tear caused by separation or partial failure of its structure, including any lifting of the tread rubber or with cords exposed or damaged

When assessing cuts in a tyre, it is permissible to check whether a cut is deep enough to reach the ply or cord by using a blunt instrument to open the cut taking care not to cause further damage.

The following criteria should be used when assessing a cut in a tyre:

any ply or cord that can be seen without touching the tyre - fail

if by folding back rubber or opening a cut with a blunt instrument, so as not to cause further damage, exposed ply or cord can be seen irrespective of the size of the cut - fail

if a cut which is more than 25mm or 10% of the section width whichever is the greater, is opened with a blunt instrument and cords can be felt but not seen - fail

Before failing a cut, you must make sure it’s the cords that you can feel not a foreign object. If you’re not sure, then you should pass and advise.

When assessing lumps or bulges in a radial ply tyre, care should be taken to distinguish between normal undulations in the carcass, resulting from manufacturing, and lumps or bulges caused by structural deterioration.

Take extra care with stretched tyres because they’re more prone to sidewall damage.

That tyre does not exhibit any of the characteristics described in the reasons for refusal.

No regulations regarding sidewall markings, or in the case of this tyre lack of them?

Iamzod · 10 Feb 2020 at 19:35

wedrum said:
Geez just change it

I would, but it isn't my car. It's my mother in laws. And i have offered but just get. "It'll be having a service soon so they will check it then"

Lopéz · 10 Feb 2020 at 19:35

Firestar_3x said:
No regulations regarding sidewall markings, or in the case of this tyre lack of them?

If the speed rating and size can be read, I don't see why it would be a failure.

Iamzod only said the date markings were not legible. They are not tested.

Firestar_3x · 10 Feb 2020 at 19:46

Lopéz said:
If the speed rating and size can be read, I don't see why it would be a failure.

Iamzod only said the date markings were not legible. They are not tested.

Interesting, nowhere near as strict as i thought it would be.