is this unreasonable?

dirtydog said:
Why? :confused: Because you have no respect for the landlord and you don't mind the risk of losing your deposit?


I have never had a deposit back. The first 2 houses I rented I actually decorated and had the carpets professionally cleaned!.. Alas no deposits.

And choosing to break petty rules has nothing whatsoever to do with lack of respect.. I have always smoked in my rented propertys, but that doesn't mean that I haven't treated the houses with great respect (in-fact, decorated and invested my own money in them!). There are degrees of rule breaking, and smoking in a house in which you have been asked not to by the landlord is in my opinion (and experience of student households) not a serious thing at all. In-fact, I think it's damned cheeky of the landlord to insist on it (and yes, I understand that a smoker may, if particular fuss is shown, entail certain decorative duties at the end of each tenancy, but quite frankly in the majority of student dwellings that's only a good thing), and furthermore, in reality the landlord never actually expects this to be upheld (again in my own experience. My own landlords have smoked inside my rented propertys, my father also lets his propertys as no-smoking and has no real issue with tenants smoking). I certainly wouldn't pay £300 a month to stand outside and smoke! (again I remind you that I don't actually smoke anymore). I can't really win this argument, because obviously if you have been informed of a no smoking policy by the landlord before moving into the property then you are instantly in the wrong. I'm merely pointing out that everyone does it. In countless student houses across the land, right now as I type, there are people smoking regardless, posters being cellotaped to walls and party goers waking up with sore heads, talking about the guy who wouldn't stop whinging about the smell of cigarette smoke. Again though I have no idea what the score is with the OP, so I'm just giving an alternative viewpoint.
 
Tute said:
I think you need to take time to put yourself in the OP's shoes.

How would you like it if someone came around, and despite you asking them not to, urinated all over your walls?

I doubt you'd like it very much.

A house is someone's personal space, i'm sure you have your personal space too. Have some damn respect.

divine_madness - go around, round up all the packets of cigs you can see, and give them a cycle in the dishwasher. Soggy cig anyone?


Well sorry i have a different opinion to many people on what the conventions are on parties and social gatherings between freinds that should respect you.

im not really sure how to compare smoking and weeing all overs peoples houses in a sensible manner so i cant comment.

As for personal space, you forfeit that the minute you open your house as a party venue, i obviously have completely different ruleset to what i call a party. Sorry if people got upset by that.
 
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there was 1 smoker in our house of 4 and he happily smoked out side which was good but we ended up having a garden full of fag buts and matches :(

MW
 
Mr-White said:
there was 1 smoker in our house of 4 and he happily smoked out side which was good but we ended up having a garden full of fag buts and matches :(

MW

get a big flowerpot, train him like a dog to use it.
 
Nobody smokes in my house, any visitors have to go outside to do it and I've never had a problem. Mostly because they know they can either do that or go home.

Oddly one of my mates loves coming round as I don't smoke so he doesn't get reminded to have a cigarette constantly when he visits other friends who do. I don't know exactly how that works but he rarely ever needs one when he's over even if it's an all night gaming session with me and some other non-smokers :)
 
Mohinder said:
And, as a smoker, I'd like to add:

I'm happy to smoke in a non-smoker's house as long as I firmly believe they don't mind - if I get the feeling they don't want me to, but are allowing me to be polite, I won't do it, or if I'm a tiny bit unsure I go and stand right by an open window and hang out of that. If I fully know I'm allowed to smoke I will, and if I know I'm not allowed to, I won't do it and won't ask again.

Same with people's cars. If it's their house/flat/room/car, it's up to them who does what in it and that most certainly includes smoking, which, let's be honest, smells.

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No its not unreasonable, Why should people Smoke in your house, its a hazard to your health and people around you. If they want to smoke they can do so outside.
 
benneh said:
And choosing to break petty rules has nothing whatsoever to do with lack of respect.. I have always smoked in my rented propertys, but that doesn't mean that I haven't treated the houses with great respect (in-fact, decorated and invested my own money in them!). There are degrees of rule breaking, and smoking in a house in which you have been asked not to by the landlord is in my opinion (and experience of student households) not a serious thing at all. In-fact, I think it's damned cheeky of the landlord to insist on it
Whereas I think it is cheeky and disrespectful to ignore the landlord's wishes. Asking you not to smoke is not an unreasonable request. Nor does the fact that other people do it, make it right.
 
my god are there a couple of Tools in this thread...

mohinder has got the right idea - and he's saying it as a smoker!


my 3 bedroom flat was just "smoking in the living room" as the landlord didnt want people smoking in the bedrooms - but over time its become smoke in the living room and in somebodies room if you get permission, the landlord knows and says the rule was there just for safety reasons.

my girlfriend smokes and she respects the fact that i dont smoke and always asks if she can smoke in my room, and infact all of my friends that smoke still ask if they can smoke anywhere in the house!
 
3vs5 people? Sounds like you were outvoted? As the posts say above it's just a houseparty, people do all sorts. Perhaps you should have just enjoyed yourself (or at least try to) rather than run up here and type out your problems on an internet forum lol....
 
I think you are skewing this a bit from the "its a party" scenario to an everyday one.

Absoloutley people should respect peoples houses and rules but at a "real" party there should be some tolerence and stuff like that should be expected.
 
Phoenix211 said:
carry a water pistol. Really though its gonna happen. Always does every party ive been to. you either can patrol the rooms or live with it and just try to use air freshners tmrw.

1 step further take a deodrant can fire it in there face !!!!!
 
Efour2 said:
I think you are skewing this a bit from the "its a party" scenario to an everyday one.

Absoloutley people should respect peoples houses and rules but...
There isn't any 'but' as far as I'm concerned :) If you have agreed with the landlord that smoking is not allowed in the property then you don't allow smoking, period.
 
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