is this unreasonable?

The no smoking isn't a landlord decision (although I expect if bothered to look at the contract it probably states it in there anyway). It was an agreement that was made when we moved in between all of us. We've managed several other parties with people going outside to smoke but for some reason last night everyone decided they could just spark as and when they pleased tenants and guests alike.

What really got to me last night was the fact that after asking most people nicely at least twice I gave up being polite and told people to take them outside. We have a huge garden, there are seats out there, plenty of light, it's not like they were having to stand in torrential rainfall to do it. As soon as I stopped asking and started telling, I get called every name under the sun by people that are guests and frankly I don't see why I should put up with that and have my evening ruined (after I supplied around £35 worth of booze aswell) for the sake of people not wanting to walk about ten foot to a door.
 
divine_madness said:
The no smoking isn't a landlord decision ... It was an agreement that was made when we moved in between all of us.
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If that's the case then I take back what I've said in the thread :p
 
divine_madness said:
The no smoking isn't a landlord decision (although I expect if bothered to look at the contract it probably states it in there anyway). It was an agreement that was made when we moved in between all of us. We've managed several other parties with people going outside to smoke but for some reason last night everyone decided they could just spark as and when they pleased tenants and guests alike.

What really got to me last night was the fact that after asking most people nicely at least twice I gave up being polite and told people to take them outside. We have a huge garden, there are seats out there, plenty of light, it's not like they were having to stand in torrential rainfall to do it. As soon as I stopped asking and started telling, I get called every name under the sun by people that are guests and frankly I don't see why I should put up with that and have my evening ruined (after I supplied around £35 worth of booze aswell) for the sake of people not wanting to walk about ten foot to a door.
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Ruined your evening by smoking?, or by being arsey in response to your not liking the smoking?. And fair enough, if an agreement was reached before you moving in together then it should indeed be adhered to, no arguing with that.
 
I wouldn’t say you were unreasonable I’d say they are idiots for not respecting your request in you own house.

I’m a smoker and I don’t smoke in my house because I agree with you. It stinks and once your house smells of fags it takes ages to get it out.
 
Efour2 are you one of those people that randomly crashes peoples parties, gets absolutly smashed then proceeds to smash muliple items and ruin everyone elses night because you want to have "fun" and couldnt give a **** about others? From your posts it really sounds like it. Why should other peoples enjoyment have to suffer because some people can't have a good night without ruining the nights of others. Divine let people into his house out of the kindness of his heart (knowing full well he would have to do lots of work in the morning to clean the house up) and people just didn't care for his or other guests nights (remember smokers are in the minority and smoking affects everyone in the area, its not just a single person who is affected). I call that selfishness and hate people like that. (Not saying that his actual housemates shouldn't be smoking but the guests at least should not have abused him when he asked then told them to smoke outside.)

I have a housemate like that and can't stand going out with him as the rest of us spend our nights making sure he doesnt get beaten up, he just takes that for granted and it really gets on our nerves but we put ourselves out to make sure he has a good night. Think about that next time you get utterly smashed! :mad: If yo want to smoke its absolutly fine but do it where its allowed and if the host asks you to stop then stop, same with drinking or anything else. You can have a "proper" party without smoking and general destructive behaviour.

I suppose I am lucky because 99% of my friends know their limit, dont smoke, and enjoy themselves without ruining others nights.

/Rant
 
My opinion, for what it's worth, is that "no smoking" is not unreasonable.

My attitude is that the owners, or occupants, of a house get to set the rules. You then either follow the rules or you don't go there, but what you don't do is accept their hospitality, then spit in their face by ignoring their wishes.

Personally, my house is non-smoking, because both my wife and myself are and because it is our wish that the house be a zero-tolerance zone. Our guests know this. They're expected to either comply, or not visit, and I won't tolerate exceptions. That applies to family, too. And, I have to say, not a single one of my smoking friends has raised an objection. Most, knowing we're non-smokers have either done without for the duration, or popped outside for a quick hit if desperate enough, and have done so without even needing to be asked.

Conversely, while I detest smoke, if I visit a smoker friend, I wouldn't dream of suggesting, either directly or by inference, that they should refrain from smoking because I can't stand it. Their home, their rules. Either I put up with it, or I don't visit. Generally speaking, it's the latter.

My direct answer to the OP is that as the occupants, smokers and non-smokers alike, have agreed on no smoking, then it applies to guests too, and a party makes no difference to that. Anyone lighting up in my house, party or no party, will be invited to put it out immediately or, if they won't, shown the door.

The only way they'll be any smoking in my house is if something catches fire. ANYONE that won't accept that, kindly don't visit.
 
damn! spot the new social pariah = "the smoker" [/best Vincent Price voice] :rolleyes:
A lot of fuss over nothing imho. Be greatful that the majority of smokers are not half as vociferous about their 'rights to smoke' as some of you non smokers seem to be, or you'd all be choking in thick black clouds of fumes and being berated as an ingrate and social outcast lol

...an ex-smoker.
 
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jumpy said:
damn! spot the new social pariah = "the smoker" [/best Vincent Price voice] :rolleyes:
A lot of fuss over nothing imho. Be greatful that the majority of smokers are not half as vociferous about their 'rights to smoke' as some of you non smokers seem to be, or you'd all be choking in thick black clouds of fumes and being berated as and ingrate and social outcast lol

...an ex-smoker.
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What's being discussed here isn't the right to smoke, but the right of someone in their home to not permit smoking by others, against the home-owners wishes.

In my case, I for one am not trying to tell anyone whether they can smoke or not, or to turn them into any sort of pariah, social or otherwise. But I AM telling them they can't do it in my house. Firstly, it's inconsiderate and anti-social if your hosts aren't smokers and object to it. Secondly, it stinks the house out and few everyday pongs are as rank as next-morning stale smoke. And thirdly, it's a health risk and I see no reason to suffer for other people's foul habits. If they want to poison themselves, that's their right, but they DON'T have a right to poison me in my own home.

And it may be a fuss over nothing to you, but it isn't to me. I have a chest condition. An excess of smoke is at best very unpleasant and causes me breathing difficulties, and at worst, is a serious risk. So, I have a reason for INSISTING on no-smoking in my home. Am I supposed to have to explain my medical history to visitors in order for them to honour my rule about non-smoking? No. It's my home. I don't have to justify WHY it's a house rule that there's no smoking. It should simply be sufficient that it is. Anyone that doesn't like it is not a pariah - they're just free to not visit, as they aren't welcome if they're going to smoke.

What seems to be much ado about nothing to you might be a death sentence, quite literally, for me. "Fuss over nothing"? Absolutely not.
 
I went into my kitchen this afternoon to discover someone had been smoking in there. We are a non smoking house, none of my housemates smoke. It was rank.

Feel free to smoke, just not in my house, especially not the kitchen!
 
The problem is that you asked nicely for too long, as soon as the first person sparked up you should have been hardline and sent them outside.

It shows a lack of respect as far as I'm concerned next time you have a party tell everyone from the off it's no smoking in the house. You'll find out who your real friends are by who turns up.
 
My mum smokes in the garden but never inside - her choice. I wouldn't have a problem with it if she did smoke inside. However in the car it's another story, even with the windows down it's horrible.
 
One or two people in this thread have really surprised me, I really wonder if they have any friends at all! :rolleyes:

This is quite simply about respect. Do you respect and like your friends enough to do something as simple as not smoke for a few hours?

If so, then good for you. If not, then maybe you should take a long hard look at yourself.
 
Efour2 said:
If its a party then anything goes im afraid
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so its okay to pee on the floor at a party?
so its okay to steal items that belong to the location of the party?
so its okay to steal from other guests at the party?
so its okay to rape someone at the party?

anything goes you say? wow.
 
Aod said:
so its okay to pee on the floor at a party?
so its okay to steal items that belong to the location of the party?
so its okay to steal from other guests at the party?
so its okay to rape someone at the party?

anything goes you say? wow.
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3/4 of those have happened at parties I've been to. :(
 
Amazing... simply amazing. Smoking it seems is a an essential part of a "proper" house party. All these years and I never knew. I think I should call all my friends and apologise for having no smoking in the house at my parties because they weren't getting the full experience.

Seriously if a friend asks you to stop smoking when you agreed you wouldn't then your reply should be "oh sorry mate, i'll go outside/put it out".

A house guest shouldn't even spark up without asking! If someone lit a cigarette in my house and give me lip when I ask them to stop their feet wouldn't touch the ground as I escort them to the door.

I have lots of friends who smoke and I wouldn't dream of asking them to stop in their own house or while we were on a night out. The same way they, being respectful friends, wouldn't dream of sparking up in my house.

SiriusB
 
daven1986 said:
wtf if someone started smoking in my house they'd get the biggest kicking of their lives, same if they started smoking in the garden (it always finds its way inside). don't put up with it, tell them straight, it is your house. if they dont stop just send them home. much better than having a house full of smoke.

daven
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hear hear!!!
 
benneh said:
I have never had a deposit back. The first 2 houses I rented I actually decorated and had the carpets professionally cleaned!.. Alas no deposits.

And choosing to break petty rules has nothing whatsoever to do with lack of respect.. I have always smoked in my rented propertys, but that doesn't mean that I haven't treated the houses with great respect (in-fact, decorated and invested my own money in them!). There are degrees of rule breaking, and smoking in a house in which you have been asked not to by the landlord is in my opinion (and experience of student households) not a serious thing at all. In-fact, I think it's damned cheeky of the landlord to insist on it (and yes, I understand that a smoker may, if particular fuss is shown, entail certain decorative duties at the end of each tenancy, but quite frankly in the majority of student dwellings that's only a good thing), and furthermore, in reality the landlord never actually expects this to be upheld (again in my own experience. My own landlords have smoked inside my rented propertys, my father also lets his propertys as no-smoking and has no real issue with tenants smoking). I certainly wouldn't pay £300 a month to stand outside and smoke! (again I remind you that I don't actually smoke anymore). I can't really win this argument, because obviously if you have been informed of a no smoking policy by the landlord before moving into the property then you are instantly in the wrong.
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You really don't paint a good picture for smokers not being selfish. For a start, smoking is disgusting at any age, and non-smokers shouldn't have to put up with it. I used to work as a waitress in a hotel, and if I had a lot of customers in the bar I would wake up the next morning feeling sick with dry eyes, and need to wash everything I'd been wearing, even if it was clean on.

If you want to smoke in a property, you should look for one that allows it, rather than signing a contract saying there will be no smoking. I know that if my parents decided to rent out my flat after I leave uni, it will be no smoking and that isn't a "petty rule" that they expect no-one to abide by.

I don't actually know anyone who smokes in their rented properties, and I do know a few smokers.
 
I banned smoking at my house party's, ****ing stinks, looks horrid and a fire hazard.

If anyone decides to break rules one of two things solves problems:

a) hosepipe and stone cold water
b) fake 12 gauge

:p

I do know one unfortunate soul who had their house TOTALLY trashed when they tried to control a few things, everything was vandalised and broken and when the 'rents came back to check up the got the beating of their life,
 
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