Is Warhammer Online better than WoW?

I can compare WoW to the lemmings and say WoW looks out of this world fantastic, but that doesn't mean now, today that WoW looks brilliant. Compare war or wow to Crysis and both look a joke tbh. While Lotro isn't up their with Crysis its leagues ahead of both, also, not a huge deal in terms of gameplay, has multiple options for making your character look different should you want to.

Agreed, I personally prefer the look of WoW to WAR even though WAR clearly has the technical edge.

If it wasn't for the WoW 'style' and artistic design I would think it looks pretty bad, but I like it and the areas are well designed and look great despite the ageing engine.

Some little improvements in Lich King (new shadows and stuff) are welcome though.
 
I've never played an MMO other than Eve. Thought I'd add my 2 cents as I've been trying to decide between Warhammer and WoW.

As an outsider to both games I have to say the WoW seems to be full of muppets (on the forums anyway)

Is it a more mature crowd playing War?

Uncle Bens Sauce
 
I've never played an MMO other than Eve. Thought I'd add my 2 cents as I've been trying to decide between Warhammer and WoW.

As an outsider to both games I have to say the WoW seems to be full of muppets (on the forums anyway)

Is it a more mature crowd playing War?

Uncle Bens Sauce

never seen anyone talk so don't know.

Frankly, theres muppets in every "community" out there. There are some right idiots in Lotro though mostly very nice people. WoW has just as many nice people also, but simply due to the sheer size and scale theres lots of idiots aswell. War will be the same plenty of nice people, plenty of idiots. I guess the lack of talking in War is a mixed blessing, feels like a single player game, but not so many idiotic conversations.
 
No wow is much better

Based on what?

In WAR you are forced to band together and help each other if you want the good stuff. Like the PQ's you can't just solo them and the RvR stuff isn't soloable either hence you have quite a bond to the people playing.

There are muppets but you get these everywhere. As you can imagine WoW has a massive playerbase and a very high muppet to decent player ratio. I found the community in WAR to be very good. LoTRO's is, at the moment, probably the best.

Sadly I think WoW has given to much to the players, the XP bonus's, the ease of playing and if one person complains they have to actually run to get something then they move it that most of the people on there are getting lazy (sweeping statement I know but its true) and this is the main reason why I don't like it. It's sort of taken away most peoples ability to work stuff out. To actually think before they run off and do it.



M.
 
Well i turned War on an hour or so ago...

I was lvl 17. with about 1/3rd exp, So i just did some RVR over and over and had fun...

So now im lvl 18, and i didnt have to move from the spot ive been standing in.

Now that suits me great. I love being able to just pick it up, spend an hour, and progress. I couldnt do that in WoW. I loved instancing in wow for a long time, but the fact that i was tied to be there for 2hrs or so got a bit annoying
 
I prefer WAR over WoW, and I played WoW for over 3 years.

WAR is a lot more simple than WoW in many aspects, and slightly more complex in others. The best thing about WAR for me though is the Tome of Knowledge, and keeping track of everything you've done in the game, how many of a certain type of mob you've killed, what titles you've unlocked, etc, it's brilliant.

Anyway, it doesn't really matter which one is better, just play what you enjoy. WoW is a lot more polished, but I'm bored of it now and what it's become over the years. WAR feels a lot like how WoW used to be back in 2005.
 
Well i turned War on an hour or so ago...

I was lvl 17. with about 1/3rd exp, So i just did some RVR over and over and had fun...

So now im lvl 18, and i didnt have to move from the spot ive been standing in.

Now that suits me great. I love being able to just pick it up, spend an hour, and progress. I couldnt do that in WoW. I loved instancing in wow for a long time, but the fact that i was tied to be there for 2hrs or so got a bit annoying

Great?

I wish people would stop saying you need to put so much time into WoW, you simply do not.

WAR feels a lot like how WoW used to be back in 2005.

I played back then too and I think this comment is very false.
 
I prefer WAR over WoW, and I played WoW for over 3 years.

WAR is a lot more simple than WoW in many aspects, and slightly more complex in others. The best thing about WAR for me though is the Tome of Knowledge, and keeping track of everything you've done in the game, how many of a certain type of mob you've killed, what titles you've unlocked, etc, it's brilliant.

Anyway, it doesn't really matter which one is better, just play what you enjoy. WoW is a lot more polished, but I'm bored of it now and what it's become over the years. WAR feels a lot like how WoW used to be back in 2005.

War feels nothing like WoW, it is an insult comparing the two since WoW is at the top of the MMO league and always will be by far. If Warhammer feels like WoW in 2005, why did i throw my copy of Warhammer in the bin? If it was anywhere near as good as WoW i would be on it now.

I could bet a No Swearing! load of money that most of the people on here slagging WoW of calling it a grind WILL buy Wrath.
 
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Great?

I wish people would stop saying you need to put so much time into WoW, you simply do not.



I played back then too and I think this comment is very false.

Look mate, i played wow for 2.5 years. Ive probably put as many, if not more hours than you have into it. I raided Molten core, blackwing lair, naxx etc. Then from kara up to serpentshrine..

I know that there is very little productive/exciting to do in WoW if you only have a short amount of time to play. Instancing / raiding is the best part of wow, and you cant often just pick them up and play right away.

If you had 30 minutes to gain experience on wow, you wouldnt complete many quests or gain much at all.
 
Look mate, i played wow for 2.5 years. Ive probably put as many, if not more hours than you have into it. I raided Molten core, blackwing lair, naxx etc. Then from kara up to serpentshrine..

I know that there is very little productive/exciting to do in WoW if you only have a short amount of time to play. Instancing / raiding is the best part of wow, and you cant often just pick them up and play right away.

If you had 30 minutes to gain experience on wow, you wouldnt complete many quests or gain much at all.

Yeah well i'd rarther have something addictive that makes me play the game than something dull with orcs shouting "UHHRGHHHHH...URHGHRHRHR.." all the time....And some people on here have said WoWs for kids, have you heard those Orcs on Warhammer? They don't shutup.
 
War feels nothing like WoW, it is an insult comparing the two since WoW is at the top of the MMO league and always will be by far. If Warhammer feels like WoW in 2005, why did i throw my copy of Warhammer in the bin? If it was anywhere near as good as WoW i would be on it now.

I could bet a No Swearing! load of money that most of the people on here slagging WoW of calling it a grind WILL buy Wrath.

How old are you?

its a game for gods sake. Throw it in the bin? why didnt you give it away to someone for free? you are coming across as an absolute helmet. The posts youve made on the PC Games forum have been totally biased and poorly constructed.

at least some of us can accept the difference in games, and accept that some people will enjoy some games more than others.

Dont feel the need to defend your choice all the time. Blizzard arent going to send you a Unique ***** for you to probe yourself with
 
How old are you?

its a game for gods sake. Throw it in the bin? why didnt you give it away to someone for free? you are coming across as an absolute helmet. The posts youve made on the PC Games forum have been totally biased and poorly constructed.

at least some of us can accept the difference in games, and accept that some people will enjoy some games more than others.

Dont feel the need to defend your choice all the time. Blizzard arent going to send you a Unique ***** for you to probe yourself with

Offer it to somebody? Nobody wants it that i know...And i think you will find i am not the only one acting like a child if you read some of the posts. If i was sat here defending Warhammer you wouldn't comment. Fact is these forums are full of Warhammer fanboys who have to argue with every person who says they think it's rubbish. My comments have been poorly constructed and i am biased? Yeah, and your comments were really in depth :)
 
I played Wow from febuary 13th 2005, right the way up until november last year.. i know that wow is good. I also am willing to admit that War is pretty good too.

Slagging it off over and over like you are doing is achieving nothing. Its not a bad game at all, And i was there from the start of wow retail, and it had its bugs and flaws too.
 
WoW set a new standard for me because it got all of the basics right. Now when all of these new MMOs come out i find it hard to accept them since they keep failing on such basic concepts such as animations, combat, and little things like the beautifull cities which have areas you love to hang out in. E.g. In Stormwind me and my mate always used to fish on the bridge near the Stockades. On Warhammer i was desturction and i thought the inevertible city was just auwfully dull. It looks auwfull, it has no memorable music. WoW may not have all of the PVP content that War has, but to me having all this content is useless when the gameplay feels so bad. There are so many other little things that make WoW the great game it is, but i won't mention them all.

I know WoW isn't perfect, i mean i thought BC was a pretty poor expansion. Wrath is going to make the game even better (I know since i was in the beta) and is going to make it even harder to beat imo.
 
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War feels nothing like WoW, it is an insult comparing the two since WoW is at the top of the MMO league and always will be by far. If Warhammer feels like WoW in 2005, why did i throw my copy of Warhammer in the bin? If it was anywhere near as good as WoW i would be on it now.

I could bet a No Swearing! load of money that most of the people on here slagging WoW of calling it a grind WILL buy Wrath.


I will not be buying WoTLK don't get me wrong for a long time I real enjoyed WoW. It was a great game which I played for many years. That all changed for me with the release of TBC. Arenas, new honour system, attunments, hall passage-way hall dungens, flying mounts ZzzzZzzzzZzzz.

As for WAR its a fun game, will I spend years playing it? I don't know. What I will say about it is that its not trying to be a new Wow. Its doing its own thing and what I have seen so far is looking great. WoTLK? No thanks.
 
I can answer this question ;)

(caveat: been a WoW player since beta, have 5 level 70s, raided high-end content a lot and done some pvp. it was my first MMO, before that i played mostly FPS such as TFC/CS, UT etc)

I always saw WoW as a great PvE game, with some PvP bolted on the side. I did most of my PvP in pre-Battlegrounds days, which was good fun. However, some poor decisions on Blizzard's part made that difficult, such as penalties for killing npc guards, which discouraged attacking cities, leaving PvP to small scale skirmishes. Once battlegrounds came in, PvP got relegated almost exclusively to there, with Arenas being bolted on the side as well. There was no real benefit to PvP aside from gear, it didn't change anything in the world.

Having said that, the progression side of WoW, the lore tying in with the advancement of your character, the seamless travelling, and the instances, from deadmines/wailing caverns through to molten core and beyond, made it an exceptional game. Anyone who did the Onyxia attunement quest chain first time round will attest to that. There was an amazing sense of progression, both in your character and your discovery of the world.

Newer changes, such as adding rewards for reputation levels, added to that (though also made it a bit more grindy in my opinion).

Okay, so is WAR all that and a bag of chips? Because lets face it, it's got to be in order to compete.

The introductory areas are just as hand-holding as WoWs (well, close), the early quests are good too. The one criticism I've had so far is it doesn't hand-hold you to the first instances - there is at least one lowish (12-20) level one on each side, but travel between zones is actually quite intricate and could do with a bit more explaining. That is my major criticism so far.

The main difference between WAR and WoW is, WAR is a game with PvP at its heart. Rather than being tacked on, I'd say it's easily a 50/50 split. Not that there is simply a lot of PvP available, but that it intertwines seamlessly with the PvE content. If you wanted WoW to feel like you were really at war with the other side, rather than 2 sets of people playing separate games and sometimes ganking one another, then you should play WAR.

Some examples of how these intertwine:

- Every area has a PvP (or RvR as they call it) area where everyone is PvP on, and there are objectives, a combination of PvP and PvE things to do. Though some servers are OpenRvR, ie PvP always on.
- Siege weapons, omg. Ballistas where you correct for windspeed, battering rams you need several people to operate, etc.
- The Hierarchy of PvP status. When one side conquers all 4 tiers (level ranges), it opens up the capital city of that area for capture. When all 3 capital cities are captured, it opens up the side's main city for siege. This means both that PvP activity has a purpose (it leads into this hierarchy), and also that low level PvP also counts, as the low tiers also need to be taken, and they feed into the higher tiers too.
- There are public quests available to both sides, with different objectives. One side beating the other to the objective opens the next stage for their side and pushes the others back.
- And of course there are many battlegrounds too. IMHO better than the WoW ones.

In summary, I think it would be reasonably difficult, though possible, to play WAR as PvE only. You'd miss out on a lot of fun, though the PvE is high quality as well.

There are many unique PvE additions too (Public Quests, Morale/tactic abilities, Guilds progressing in levels) and some features that make PvP more strategic than tactical (eg, you can't run through enemy players, and tanks can intercept attacks for people behind them - you can chokehold an area, and alternatively you can outflank the enemy and decimate them), and I have to add that the Lore is AWESOME. As a longtime WFRP player, I am always laughing at what they're doing. The greenskins are hilarious, the elves haughty as all hell, the dwarves dour and fierce, the humans fanatical against chaos... it's actually worth reading through the quest text, talking to NPCs and just investigating.

As a last note, the crafting skills are a bit more limited, and do need some fixing, but are a lot of fun and quite unpredictable.

WoW is great. WAR looks like it's also going to be great, so far. The one thing I haven't yet tried are the instances in WAR - it's asking a lot for them to be as good as WoW's, but I hope they will be. I won't stop playing WoW, and will be giving WotLK a good go. But right now, I'm playing more WAR and loving it.
 
Well written post. Good read.

I know what you mean about Onyxia chain. I was really into WoW when DM, LBRS and UBRS were the main none raiding instances. WoW was really brilliant and I think that TBC was a good addition, but it also spoiled a lot of aspects to the game.

Like what you say. If someone wants a fun PVP game, then War is looking to be ideal, but if you want PVE content. Then WoW dominates that. No doubt
 
and is going to make it even harder to beat imo.

Wraith will start to be the death of WoW, IMO. Blizzard are making some terrible decisions with the game mechanics, and its going to come back and bite them in the ass.

The dumbing down beggars belief, they really are appealing to the lowest common denominator. I'll still be buying the expansion, as my mates are, but I expect to start seeing dwindling subs.
 
Is it a more mature crowd playing War?

In general yes. Thats not to say all WoW players are idiots (disregarding the ones that post on these forums) and if you get yourself in a mature guild you can pretty much shield yourself away from the masses of morons.

I havnt had to do that in WAR - the server i play on (Allarielle) generally seems to be filled with 20-35 year olds which in itself is a bonus. The only annoying players I've come across are the gold spammers....
 
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