One thinks a magical space pixie looks after us, the other is a idea people come up, sit down chat about it form a movement and if people think its a good idea then away it goes.
Oh and world war 2 was created from a economic mess from WW1.
ISIL, ISIS, Daesh discussion thread.
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One thinks a magical space pixie looks after us, the other is a idea people come up, sit down chat about it form a movement and if people think its a good idea then away it goes.
Oh and world war 2 was created from a economic mess from WW1.
Man of Honour
Forget religion for a moment, WW2 was started primarily by ideology, also ideology played a major part in ending WW2. Without Nazism and Communism coming to blows who knows what would have happened. The primary difference was a uniformed standing army, IS has no army as such.
Vietnam, a superior army could not contain irregular forces, a good proportion of the Communist forces were regular. Even so it was the irregular forces that proved impossible to contain, hit and run, disappear into the populace, impossible to bring superior force to bear against such tactics.
Afghanistan and the Russians, all the Afghan forces were irregulars, hit and run, blend into the population, bled the Russians will to fight dry. Afghanistan being even more of a no win situation on the subject of bringing superior forces to bear. You cannot hit what you cannot see and you simply cannot just annihilate a populous to win the war.
Recent Afghan conflict, better tactics but the end result is much the same, the irregulars are beating the hell out of the government western powers tried to give the people and the internal conflict has no end in sight.
IS, you cannot realistically put troops on the ground and expect anything other than casualties on all sides until a withdrawal. There will be no victory, the views of these people are too rooted in tribal, factional and religious loyalties. It's their culture that needs to change, you can't change such things by war.
Those reasons are why only oppressive systems seem to prosper in this area of the world. These people will not work together for a good society voluntarily. As much as western countries have tried to help give them democracy, their culture prevents it's success.
Linking to an offshoot of the BNP, wow.
Soldato
Nice speech and all but we could just carpet bomb them like WW2.(like I already said)
Oh and don't think of one or two planes think like they did years ago..100-300 B-2 Spirits
Linking to a news article, and linking multiple sources for a more accurate assessment.
But don't let that stop your "ermagawd tis not teh BBC!!" dismissal, I'll wait until more media outlets start covering it then try and reintroduce the information >.>
Nice speech and all but we could just carpet bomb them like WW2.(like I already said)
Oh and don't think of one or two planes think like they did years ago..100-300 B-2 Spirits
The US only has 20x B-2 Spirits
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This is the problem. IS cannot be militarily defeated in any meaningful sense.
Like with the Russians fighting the Taliban in Afghanistan, all you can do is kill them
In order eliminate the IS problem we would need to kill people fairly indiscriminately and in very large numbers, something that we do not (Yet) have the stomach for.
What is more, we would need to maintain an indefinite neo-imperial presence over the territories under our control
And even that wont make the problem go away, it simply contain it for as long as were were prepared to continue making the effort.
The reason why TPTB seem to be dragging their heels over this is because they realise this, they are just not yet willing to publically state it.
Soldato
Linking to a news article, and linking multiple sources for a more accurate assessment.
But don't let that stop your "ermagawd tis not teh BBC!!" dismissal, I'll wait until more media outlets start covering it then try and reintroduce the information >.>
The US only has 20x B-2 Spirits
So we could create jobs as well...win win
Man of Honour
Nice speech and all but we could just carpet bomb them like WW2.(like I already said)
Oh and don't think of one or two planes think like they did years ago..100-300 B-2 Spirits
Thus, if you can't beat them, join them? annihilate an entire population? remember how far IS has spread, you would have to lay waste to a great deal more of the planet than just Syria/Iraq.
Ahhh yeah I completely forgot all religious people are totally unified in their beliefs and interpretations and haven never sat down and "chatted" or formed a movement.
Heck I mean next you'll be telling me these religious people would form a movement devoted to creating their own state heh now that would be funny wouldn't it?
its almost as if the religious bit of this isn't the whole story isn't it?
but nah best just say space pixies and ignore the issue?
yeah and what's happening now has nothing to do with the socio-economic mess off the last few wars in the middle east huh?
Soldato
Short memories there dude. One has got to do what's needed no matter how many the bombs kill.
Oh yawn this vitriol again! It is absolutely not 100% the west's fault. Read back and see why.
problem is you do that then all the one sin the states you didn't (and cant) bomb and around the world get ****ed off and start to rise up too and you've expanded your problem ten fold
Man of Honour
Indeed, the Hydra will rise from those ashes, trying to put out a fire with petrol.
Soldato
this wouldn't have happened as it has without western foreign policy, end of. You have your opinion I'll have mine.
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Caporegime
Thing is, if you think back to before the West started intervening in middle-east (well - Arabian peninsular specifically) i.e. pre-WW1, it was still a violent hell-hole. Lawrence of Arabia managed to get them to stop fighting each other long enough so they'd fight the Turks, but as soon as that was over they reverted to killing each other.
I absolutely agree with you. What the people in this violent hell hole needed was a ruthless dictator who knew how to keep them all in check. What the west has done is gone in and killed these people that knew how to keep a lid on the whole mess.
Man of Honour
who put those dictators in charge in the first place?
Shhh! an inconvenient truth is inconvenient