ISIL, ISIS, Daesh discussion thread.


Indeed, but then the recapture of Mosul before Obamas end of term will trump that anyway.

Perhaps you should make a separate thread though, to discuss pro Russian and anti West sentiment though. That discussion becomes really boring, it's not that relevant here and your agenda would be better placed there. However, given your lack of any opinion at all (and just a link and run effort), I imagine it won't be a very engaging thread will it?
 
So the Russians drop some bombs in a few months, mostly outside IS territory, and then they pull out. Suddenly, any IS defeat is a Putin victory. Gotta love his fanboys, they are as delusional as ever.
 
So the Russians drop some bombs in a few months, mostly outside IS territory, and then they pull out. Suddenly, any IS defeat is a Putin victory. Gotta love his fanboys, they are as delusional as ever.

I don't think it is so much that half the time, it's that they really believe they're genius in pointing out the media has an agenda! Well **** me sideways!? I would never have guessed that! Watch out lads, the government are out to get you, it's all a conspiracy.
 
Funny, I'm in Qatar this minute, I must be ISIL myself.

Still, more posting and running from you, no real content, no fact based opinion, in fact no opinion at all. Just more media bias that fits some kind of political bias you have that you think anyone else cares about. What is the point of your posts exactly? Explain more. What are you wanting to achieve? What do you really think? Or is it just boredom/trolling?
 
did you read my post or do you want me to post links from western media explaining how russia has done in the fight against isis and the moderate jihadists?
 
my thoughts are the west in supporting moderate jihadists have help isis and have hindered SAA by diverting focus else where in this case from places like raqqa to Lattakia.
 
If that is the case, do you believe the West are intentionally assisting ISIL? Or do you believe it's just a consequence of assisting opposition fighters?
 
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Do you realise that in Iraq the concept is that the Iraqi Security Forces effectively run the show? They compose the planning for ops and strategically where to capture. This is all done with just Western assistance, we haven't committed any substantial ground elements or indiscriminate bombing (like the Russian tactic of carpet/unguided and the Syrian regime effort of barrell bombing).

Given the difficulties of inspiring a rag tag bunch like the ISF, and the lengthy process of target development and precision delivery, progress was obviously going to be slow.

Don't forget that the politics throughout each country play a large factor. You've got the Iraqi government who are most concerned about the south and baghdad, they care much less about the ethnicities to the north. Obama on the other hand clearly has some draw up there as liberating Mosul before his time in tenure is up would be major kudos and portray him in a good light.

I can't understand any argument to retain am oppressive regime leader. I don't agree with the short sighted view that "these people need rule with an iron fist", it's offensive and it denies progress. I also don't get the strange fanboyism for states like Russia and Syria who indiscriminately bomb who they like. If that was the US dropping barrell bombs and unguided munitions you'd be spamming it all over the forum. Why the double standards?
 
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I can't understand any argument to retain am oppressive regime leader. I don't agree with the short sighted view that "these people need rule with an iron fist", it's offensive and it denies progress.
They need to find their own way in their own time. Getting involved in the ME is a Pandora's box.
 
Do you realise that in Iraq the concept is that the Iraqi Security Forces effectively run the show? They compose the planning for ops and strategically where to capture. This is all done with just Western assistance, we haven't committed any substantial ground elements or indiscriminate bombing (like the Russian tactic of carpet/unguided and the Syrian regime effort of barrell bombing).

Given the difficulties of inspiring a rag tag bunch like the ISF, and the lengthy process of target development and precision delivery, progress was obviously going to be slow.

Don't forget that the politics throughout each country play a large factor. You've got the Iraqi government who are most concerned about the south and baghdad, they care much less about the ethnicities to the north. Obama on the other hand clearly has some draw up there as liberating Mosul before his time in tenure is up would be major kudos and portray him in a good light.

I can't understand any argument to retain am oppressive regime leader. I don't agree with the short sighted view that "these people need rule with an iron fist", it's offensive and it denies progress. I also don't get the strange fanboyism for states like Russia and Syria who indiscriminately bomb who they like. If that was the US dropping barrell bombs and unguided munitions you'd be spamming it all over the forum. Why the double standards?

sucking up to obama much, has he closed guantanamo yet?

look at libya with out gaddafi? how long with thing get better as it's already gotten worse with isis and local tribes fighting amongst a split government.

russia and syria could bomb way harder if they wanted too, they even air drop leaflets in advance of bombing in areas where they are fighting these jihadist.

also iraq is helped by russia as well
 
How is it sucking up to Obama? I'm stating fact and opinion on matters. If anything, that opinion was super critical, in that he wants a big win before his exit.

Then the comment about Russia and Syria "bombing way harder". I just don't know what to say, how old are you? Does this mean you support indiscriminate targeting and barrel bombs? And now we're back to another post link and run, do you not realise how pathetic it looks when members just use forums to post propaganda and agenda portrayed on media, it's hypocritical. Tiresome.

Just to be clear, my questions are rhetorical, I don't really expect or looks forward to an answer from you because further discussion with you is pretty much a waste of time (much like a few other certain individuals) You lack grasp of reality, situation and maturity - yes Russia can bomb way harder, Cringe!

Stick to the games section and play cod or something.
 
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If that was the US dropping barrell bombs and unguided munitions you'd be spamming it all over the forum. Why the double standards?

So you're saying because the Americans use high precision weapons to very accurately kill civilians (eg at weddings) it's a somehow better class of murder?
 
Obviously the answer to your question is, No, I'm not saying that.

Clearly, I'm querying why is Russia and Syria applauded for indiscriminate bombing and the West is put under the magnifying glass?

Just to be clear... . You are talking about the wedding incident in Afghanistan aren't you?
 
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Obviously the answer to your question is, No, I'm not saying that.

Clearly, I'm querying why is Russia and Syria applauded for indiscriminate bombing and the West is put under the magnifying glass?

Just to be clear... . You are talking about the wedding incident in Afghanistan aren't you?

Tbh theres so many incidents in Afghanistan, syria, iraq, yeman, pakistan, libya and sudan that you can feel free to pick any you like.

Although there can be shown to be a distinction between say a warning pass of a contested area folowed by large prolonged bombardment of it and the sudden unannounced targeted murder of a person and the civilians near him who were knowingly sacrificed.

One has been a standard war practice since we invented planes the later is a new and more cold blooded aproach.


People cant avoid a sudden assasination strike, people can leave a city under bombardment etc.


We've become accepting of mass bombing as its been so common in the past century so it doesn't get the same reaction.


Just look at the shock wnd awe campaign at the begining of the invasion of iraq we dropped huge numbers of bombs and missiles and killed thousands of innocents.

And what did we do?

Round the clock live footage of the fireworks as we all gleefully celebrated the power of our armies.
 
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