ISIL, ISIS, Daesh discussion thread.

sven256 said:
What I find funny about the garbage article you have posted there, is the fact that every single person in the comments section is calling it garbage.
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Most seem to be deleted. There was one interesting comment though that compared Aleppo to Mosul.

It appears there have been more recorded deaths in the current assault on Mosul than the current assault on Aleppo, yet the assault on Aleppo is all over the news as being "barbaric", but Mosul is ignored.

I guess because Assad is seen as the baddie and the Iraqi army is seen as an ally. The hypocracy is the most annoying part. War is war, and unfortunately civilians will die - let's not use them as propoganda though.

https://news.vice.com/story/mosul-offensive-slows-as-death-toll-soars
http://www.ibtimes.com/aleppo-death-toll-how-many-people-have-been-killed-russian-syrian-war-2460548

Both death counts pale in comparison to Israels assault on the Gaza Strip in 2014 though - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-28439404
 
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RoboCod said:
I fail to see the point you're trying to make. It's clear the Turks and pretty much everyone for that matter have been buying their oil. As their main source of funding, oil smuggling has been on a massive scale. So what? Private traders will buy whatever they want at the cheapest price. Do we bomb all those too?

You're another one trying to establish that there is some massive government conspiracy whereby the West is going out to fund isil. The reality is it's brokers looking to make a quick buck. You're also ignoring the numerous other ways isil fund themselves, such as taxation and ransom. These facts get in the way of your CT though, so we'll forget about those won't we?
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How is it conspiracy, the US has been funding all sorts of groups since the 40s, let alone the three coups in Syria were all involving the CIA. The reality is obvious enough, Iran/Russia/Hezbollah/Syria are fighting rebel/IS forces all of whom (especially the first two) are cultural/historic enemies of the US and Iran just so happens to be the "wrong" side of religion in the region dominated by the Saudis.

It's all so easy to wash it away because its not 100% confirmed and for the most part hearsay, but there's a century of convenient foreign policy to look at and you can't just deny it wholly because "we're the angels, the good guys" and they're the "uttermost devils".

Tell me, will you believe everything the Trump Press officer says at the White House Podium?
 
StriderX said:
Then do explain why ISIS is so heavily funded then?

Am i to believe the Turks didn't/don't buy their oil?
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They robbed bilions from banks, sold artificats, drugs and organs and valuables they looted.


May as well ask why drug cartels are so well funded.
 
Tiny insignificant minority. 1000 people don't mean anything. 1000 people have never achieved anything. 1 person has never changed anything.
 
So where are the Syrian rebels/terrorists going to be evacuated to? if it's the EU then no wonder we need armed police patrolling the streets.
 
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jagga1968 said:
blame war criminal tony blair for killing millions of innocent civilians all based on a lie.
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I think George Bush should have been in that sentence. Also millions should have been changed to thousands. Now move along people because it's been muslims killing muslims for years now for the most part.
 
jagga1968 said:
blame war criminal tony blair for killing millions of innocent civilians all based on a lie.
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Blame what on tony blair now?

And tony blairs killed no one, and certainly not millions of civilians were killed in iraq, you people seem to think that spouting fictional casualty statistics in a hysterical way makes your argument stronger, when infact it makes you look stupid and ignorant.

Are you aware they're is a civil war going on within Islam itself?
 
ThestigGT999 said:
tony blair and bush created isis
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No. What an ignorant statement.

The group's roots are in the Sunni terror group al Qaeda in Iraq (AQI), started in 2004 by Jordanian Islamist Abu Musab al-Zarqawi.

It was a major player in the insurgency against the US-led forces that toppled Saddam Hussein in 2003, and against the Shiite-dominated government that eventually replaced Hussein. Hussein had led a secular government, but it was dominated by members of Iraq's Sunni minority and it brutally repressed opposition. When Saddam was ousted, power went to the majority Shiites, who wanted revenge.

There was a growing perception among Sunnis that they were being persecuted and excluded from power by Shiite officials.
AQI recruited Sunni fighters to its cause -- trying to establish a Sunni Islamist control of the country.

After Zarqawi was killed in a US airstrike in 2006, Egyptian Abu Ayyub al-Masri took over and announced the creation of the Islamic State in Iraq. (The words "and Syria" would come later.)
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http://edition.cnn.com/2016/08/12/middleeast/here-is-how-isis-began/
 
Rroff said:
There is a huge amount of complexity to the creation and evolution of it including fallout from stuff that happened with the ba'ath party, AQ and others putting pressure on the group, etc.
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Indeed, but to say Tony Blair/George Bush 'created' ISIS is an ignorant blindness to the facts.
 
Sliver said:
Indeed, but to say Tony Blair/George Bush 'created' ISIS is an ignorant blindness to the facts.
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Yeah - my point really being that even if there was some truth to Tony Blair/George Bush being involved in the creation of ISIS in some way it is a far bigger story than just that or any one event or origin.
 
If we had not invaded a country for the lols, then no ISIS would not need to have existed.

So in effect it is directly because of the war, as it destroyed all power in the country and it hardly helped that some of the old Iraqi military joined up.

So don't just fling it off like its not our fault they exist, because its "complex". After all the US has been meddling there for decades https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_activities_in_Iraq, but nah, we only had a tiny involvement eh?
 
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