ISIL, ISIS, Daesh discussion thread.

scorza said:
I think we'll see Trump do something about them. Right now I expect some pretty senior Saudi officials are a tad nervous, especially since they bankrolled Hillary's campaign and still failed lol
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Behave. Trump is a business man, doing "something about them" would be bad for business.
 
Harlequin said:
I just see you criticise peoples opinions without ever having an answer of your own

and `there isn't one` isn't a solution.
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Because there isn't an answer. How can I give an answer that doesn't exist? Stop trying to score points. Got to love the forum circle jerk of dictators
 
"First, do no harm"

Doing something because something must be done is one of politics cardinal sins. It's not enough to realise things are bad, there needs to be an approach with a good chance of improving things.
 
RoboCod said:
Because there isn't an answer. How can I give an answer that doesn't exist? Stop trying to score points. Got to love the forum circle jerk of dictators
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so I call you out and you resort to an ad hominem attack?

really?

Wahhabism is the issue - notice how the mass media is not reporting the destruction of Islamic sites in yemen. why? well boris hit the nail on the head.

wait until the great mosque of sa`naa is bombed by the Saudi`s.

oh and they have Pakistani nukes already and a Chinese system to deliver them
 
Harlequin said:
so I call you out and you resort to an ad hominem attack?

really?

Wahhabism is the issue - notice how the mass media is not reporting the destruction of Islamic sites in yemen. why? well boris hit the nail on the head.

wait until the great mosque of sa`naa is bombed by the Saudi`s.

oh and they have Pakistani nukes already and a Chinese system to deliver them
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You called me out? No, what you did was try to pick a fight stating I just criticise peoples opinions. Well excuse me when those opinions are "wipe out the Saudis... and Israelis why we're at it" and I criticise them for that. Funny you should take issue with me, don't you have any criticism of people with that kind of attitude? It would appear not, hence the circle jerk comment.
 
and again , ad hominem attacks - very disappointed with the playground level you have dropped to, actually though better of you.

already stated my opinion of the events ; both the Saudi`s need to stop being handed money and Israel needs to stand on their own 2 feet which ofc they can , without the usa funding them
 
Harlequin...that's hardly an attack. I think you need to grow some thicker skin and toughen up a bit. Bless.
 
StriderX said:
The House of Saud needs a lot more done to them than just a drop in support, but i gather such justice will never take place.
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that is down to perspective , wiping the country out will not solve anything - it will harden resolve as it will end up being `islam vs everyone else` , rather than Wahhabism against anyone that doesn't agree with them (remind you of any extremist groups getting its backside kicked?)


but its the age old conflict , which kicked off about 20 years after muhammed died....
 
Harlequin said:
that is down to perspective , wiping the country out will not solve anything - it will harden resolve as it will end up being `islam vs everyone else` , rather than Wahhabism against anyone that doesn't agree with them (remind you of any extremist groups getting its backside kicked?)


but its the age old conflict , which kicked off about 20 years after muhammed died....
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Ahem...

"House of Saud"
 
TrafficMaster said:
Nobody seems to want to tackle the root cause of the problem....

THE SAUDIS.... jesus.

If Saudia Arabia was wiped off the map, half of these well funded terror groups would cease to exist, but no, we cuddle up to the Saudi cavemen for what? The "oil" I guess...lol

Bring on fusion, and watch Saudia Arabia turn back into sand!
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Shut up! They are the good guys - because they are our allies. Because of that we'll completely ignore all the evidence of all the bad things they do and chastise Boris for one of the few things he's said that is pretty much on the button.

scorza said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38305413



Who does Gideon think he's kidding? There's no side we could have supported in the Syrian Civil War. All an intervention would have achieved is more £billions wasted, hundreds of dead British troops, and probably a bunch of unsavoury warlords in power. I'm still of the opinion that we are better off staying out of it. All that has changed over the last few days is that there are now two sides in the Syrian civil war that I don't want to win whereas before there were three sides I didn't want to win.
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Ironically those same "rebels" would be classed as terrorists and enemy combatants if they had been fighting us in Iraq. The west spend their time complaining at the attitude and things Assad does (fairly legitimately a lot of the time), yet completely ignore the fact we "disappeared" hundreds of people ourselves during the Iraq war, and still have a fair few locked up at Guantanamo without trial.

This is one of the main reasons I don't believe we should lower ourselves to the levels we regularly do - we have no leverage when other countries do the same "Do as we say, not as we do" has always had a hollow ring to it.
 
hes an idiot.
But he said he had "some hope out of this terrible tragedy in Syria" that "we are beginning" to learn the "price of not intervening".
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Because it worked so well in iraq and even better in libya right..

is assad was gone isis would clearly be in almost total control of syria and iraq would be under a lot more pressure from isis.
 
Harlequin said:
again what is your opinion of what should happen for peace in the middle east?
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What should happen? No idea.

The causes?

Saudi/Iran competition and proxy wars.
Western culture spreading into the area over the last century upsetting more devout/extreme muslims who believe their culture is being stolen/suppressed.*
Western interference in Middle Eastern processes for the last century (from the collapse of the Ottoman Empire essentially).
More tribal nature of the region, where tribe/family is more important than state (especially when state boundaries don't tally with ethnic/cultural boundaries - e.g. Kurds for example).

Now once you've come up with "solutions" to those four major problems then you "solve" the peace issue in the middle east. :p

*Largely just due to the power of the culture rather than a concerted effort to force it.
 
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