ISIL, ISIS, Daesh discussion thread.

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1: Almost all central banks are state/publicly owned, that's kind of the point of a central bank (no the Rothschilds do not own X central banks, that's just a meme).

2: Syria has never used the U.S Dollar, it uses the Syrian pound (which was originally pegged to the French Franc, then the British pound during WW2, the the USD for a time after WW2), what the meme means to say is that Syria banned the use of foreign currencies during the civil was as that's what the extremists were being supplied with.

3: So do most countries in the middle east, so does the UK, in fact so do most countries.

4: No, it brought in laws to regulate their use/production (just like most countries have), because it didn't have these laws prior to GMO invention for obvious reasons.

5: That's because Syria chose to loan money from the USSR and later Russia and the former Czechoslovakia instead, it still has a multi billion dollar debt mountain.


Dis86 said:
Or to use against their own people...
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Yeah I'm sure those SAMs will work great against the non-functional MiGs the extremists captured :p
 
It stops third parties supporting civilian uprisings against brutalistic dictators with aircraft. As per syria.
 
ubersonic said:
1: Almost all central banks are state/publicly owned, that's kind of the point of a central bank (no the Rothschilds do not own X central banks, that's just a meme).

2: Syria has never used the U.S Dollar, it uses the Syrian pound (which was originally pegged to the French Franc, then the British pound during WW2, the the USD for a time after WW2), what the meme means to say is that Syria banned the use of foreign currencies during the civil was as that's what the extremists were being supplied with.

3: So do most countries in the middle east, so does the UK, in fact so do most countries.

4: No, it brought in laws to regulate their use/production (just like most countries have), because it didn't have these laws prior to GMO invention for obvious reasons.

5: That's because Syria chose to loan money from the USSR and later Russia and the former Czechoslovakia instead, it still has a multi billion dollar debt mountain.

Yeah I'm sure those SAMs will work great against the non-functional MiGs the extremists captured :p
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The devil is in the details. With regard to #1, Syria's central bank is state controlled whereas the Bank of England was made independent of the UK government in 1998. And the USA's Federal Reserve was created as independent. Stock in it is actually owned by national banks (it's a legal requirement that they do, in fact). State Owned is misleading because people presume it to mean State Controlled but in the UK and USA that is not the case. Federal Reserve decisions do not have to go through the president and both it and the Bank of England are independent organizations when it comes to management and financial policy.

With regard to #2, it's not about whether Syria uses the US dollar internally - of course it does not! It's whether it trades internationally with it or not. Just as Saddam tried to sell oil in Euros and Libya planned to create an "African Euro" backed by gold in which to conduct international trade, Syria would love to trade internationally in something other than the dollar. The dollar being the international trade and reserve currency is hugely important to the USA. So much so that they made Saudi Arabia legally commit to only selling oil in dollars as a condition of sovereignty. The reasons are multiple but one of the primary ones is that the USA currently has a national debt of $19trn. It services that debt by loans. It is able to secure such loans because it controls the international reserve currency. I could go on further on this subject - control of the international reserve currency gives the USA tremendous power. People moving away from that would be devastating to the US economy. If you don't use the US dollar for selling oil / international trade, then you're "not on the USA's side". But I think it is sufficient in this context simply to point out that they're not talking about Syria's national currency, but Syria dropping the dollar for international trade / oil sales so your counterpoint is mistaken.

With regard to #3. Yes - that is in common with most countries in the Middle East. And similarly we see US aggression because of that. North Sea Oil in the UK is not a comparable situation. There's almost no country in Europe or Asia or Africa which has oil that isn't subject to US strong-arming it in one form or another. Whether that be US sanctions against Russia to try and block the Nord Stream 2 oil pipeline that is a joint venture with Europe in order to push Europe to buy US fracking oil exports rather than traditional Russian drilled oil, whether that's backing revolutionaries to seize Libya's nationally owned oil fields or propping up the vicious Saudi Regime. It is relevant that Syria has oil.

#4 Syria rejecting US food imports is probably a minor factor, but it's not right to simply dismiss it.

With regard to #5, Syria's national debt in 2009 was 17bn dollars. Our own is 2.2 trillion. The USA's is 19 trillion. Their debt is piddling compared to other countries. And more than this Syria's debt was falling! They were actually paying it down up until around five years ago. Your attempt to dismiss the point made by the poster falls short on this alone. But more critically, the poster explicitly stated "IMF debt", not merely "debt". Therefore it is not correct to call them out for ignoring other creditors because it is very relevant WHO the debt is owed to. The IMF is heavily dominated by the USA, politically. Had Syria huge IMF debt, then the USA would be able to use this as leverage over Syria. That it is free from IMF debt is very significant - it allows it independence from US influence. A very big deal. Libya had no IMF debt. (It does now though - one of the first things the rebels did in return for Western backing, was take out loans to support their take-over. Now that they run the country, their debts are Libya's and they have made this formally Libya's debt. Look at the jump in debt between 2013 and 2014 here: http://countryeconomy.com/national-debt/libya).

All that said, the poster's list (particularly the GMO item) undersells one of the biggest reasons for US involvement in Syria which is geopolitics. Left alone, Syria would be an ally of Iran and Russia. Which the USA does not want. That would undermine US hegemony in the Middle East and Eastern Europe.
 
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"Three men who dubbed themselves the Three Musketeers have been found guilty of plotting a terror attack on a police or military target in the UK."

Naweed Ali, 29, and Khobaib Hussain, 25, both of Sparkhill, Birmingham, and Mohibur Rahman, 33, of Stoke-on-Trent, were convicted at the Old Bailey.
A fourth man, Tahir Aziz, 38, from Stoke-on-Trent, was also found guilty

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40802787

More scum from Birmingham. I hope they get full life.
 
deuse said:
"Three men who dubbed themselves the Three Musketeers have been found guilty of plotting a terror attack on a police or military target in the UK."

Naweed Ali, 29, and Khobaib Hussain, 25, both of Sparkhill, Birmingham, and Mohibur Rahman, 33, of Stoke-on-Trent, were convicted at the Old Bailey.
A fourth man, Tahir Aziz, 38, from Stoke-on-Trent, was also found guilty

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40802787

More scum from Birmingham. I hope they get full life.
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Wonder who recruited them?
JammieR how are you today.
 
deuse said:
"Three men who dubbed themselves the Three Musketeers have been found guilty of plotting a terror attack on a police or military target in the UK."

Naweed Ali, 29, and Khobaib Hussain, 25, both of Sparkhill, Birmingham, and Mohibur Rahman, 33, of Stoke-on-Trent, were convicted at the Old Bailey.
A fourth man, Tahir Aziz, 38, from Stoke-on-Trent, was also found guilty

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40802787

More scum from Birmingham. I hope they get full life.
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Neighbours Ali and Hussain have previously been jailed for terrorism offences.
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I doubt it 3 out of 4 had prior terror co viction
 
deuse said:
The scum got 15-20 years. I was hoping for a lot longer.
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Ah, I think that sentence is pretty fair. They might had been planning something, but nothing happened in the end, so 15-20 years sounds fair to me. Prison should be about rehabilitation as well as keeping dangerous people locked up.

So 15-20 years is enough time for them to turn their lives around and their ideas, that said, with how the prison system is, I hope it doesn't reinforce their mindsets.
 
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What antisemitic nonsense, straight out of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Yeah blame ISIS on Jews. Nazi or Islamist antisemite no difference at all. Easier to blame Jews for your failings then man up and take responsibility.

Interesting that if a neo Nazi said what JammieR had said he would be banned pretty sharpish. But dress up exactly the same antisemitic Jewish conspiracies in the cloak of the Muslim religion & it is a valid view point as far as the powers that be are concerned.
So if you want to spew racism make out your a Muslim & it will be fine
 
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JessieD said:
What antisemitic nonsense, straight out of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Yeah blame ISIS on Jews. Nazi or Islamist antisemite no difference at all. Easier to blame Jews for your failings then man up and take responsibility.

Interesting that if a neo Nazi said what JammieR had said he would be banned pretty sharpish. But dress up exactly the same antisemitic Jewish conspiracies in the cloak of the Muslim religion & it is a valid view point as far as the powers that be are concerned.
So if you want to spew racism make out your a Muslim & it will be fine
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Judging by number of posts and posting habits so far, it would be fair to assume that they have already been banned and have returned with a new username.
 
JessieD said:
What antisemitic nonsense, straight out of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Yeah blame ISIS on Jews. Nazi or Islamist antisemite no difference at all. Easier to blame Jews for your failings then man up and take responsibility.

Interesting that if a neo Nazi said what JammieR had said he would be banned pretty sharpish. But dress up exactly the same antisemitic Jewish conspiracies in the cloak of the Muslim religion & it is a valid view point as far as the powers that be are concerned.
So if you want to spew racism make out your a Muslim & it will be fine
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I can't tell if you disagree with Zionism or not...
 
JessieD said:
What antisemitic nonsense, straight out of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Yeah blame ISIS on Jews. Nazi or Islamist antisemite no difference at all. Easier to blame Jews for your failings then man up and take responsibility.

Interesting that if a neo Nazi said what JammieR had said he would be banned pretty sharpish. But dress up exactly the same antisemitic Jewish conspiracies in the cloak of the Muslim religion & it is a valid view point as far as the powers that be are concerned.
So if you want to spew racism make out your a Muslim & it will be fine
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Well said, soon the apologists will be along to put you down :)
 
^ Trump should commission a "MAGA bomb". And first display it at the White House and give a speech next to it, during which it might accidentally detonate....MAGA!
 
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