ISIL, ISIS, Daesh discussion thread.
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Caporegime
Whether or not we trust the politician we have put in charge is irrelevant to the question of whether or not the PM has authority to attack a foreign power without Parliamentary approval.
Soldato
How bad would a situation have to get to before you would consider military action justified?
But they did/do.
Last night the world witnessed how despite the multiple warnings of retaliation and escalation which could lead to a third world war, the calls for a non-politicized investigation to be allowed to take place before any "punishment", the US, France and UK recklessly endangered the security of the world by going ahead and using force on a sovereign country, and acted like ISIS air force. It was not the first time. But it was the first time since Cuba when the world was on the brink of a third world war and they did it anyway. What happened has the same significance as if Khrushchev had gone ahead with installing nukes on Cuba. Call it what you want, the mantle of morality, the mantle of civilization... but the mantle well and truly changed hands last night. Only the spiritually numb did not feel it. No apologies for calling Russia the more responsible side now.
Furthermore, all these childish games; that seek to normalize war by focusing attention on a particular rule allegedly being broken, when all sorts of rules are broken in every war, and so the only solution is to not have war, or to end war, quickly; only proves how insignificant ordinary people are to those in power, who care not about how they devastate countries and prolong wars in which bad things will happen, as history proves time and time again. Who even care not about kicking off world war three if it means it's the only way to bully. From the very beginning, the west has sought to prolong the war in Syria, using head-chopping heart-eating terrorist scum to force a situation of regime change, even as they lie about not seeking regime change.
Moreover, people are well and truly sleepwalking into a relationship where the government is increasing demands to be trusted just on their word at breakneck speed. Acting like life's lessons, like Blair and Iraq WMD, and that politicians tend to lie not tell the truth, which even a child knows, are to be ignored. Be dumb, ignore lessons, don't question and most of all - hate the enemy we tell you to hate. Have faith in us. Welcome to Oceania.
Furthermore, all these childish games; that seek to normalize war by focusing attention on a particular rule allegedly being broken, when all sorts of rules are broken in every war, and so the only solution is to not have war, or to end war, quickly; only proves how insignificant ordinary people are to those in power, who care not about how they devastate countries and prolong wars in which bad things will happen, as history proves time and time again. Who even care not about kicking off world war three if it means it's the only way to bully. From the very beginning, the west has sought to prolong the war in Syria, using head-chopping heart-eating terrorist scum to force a situation of regime change, even as they lie about not seeking regime change.
Moreover, people are well and truly sleepwalking into a relationship where the government is increasing demands to be trusted just on their word at breakneck speed. Acting like life's lessons, like Blair and Iraq WMD, and that politicians tend to lie not tell the truth, which even a child knows, are to be ignored. Be dumb, ignore lessons, don't question and most of all - hate the enemy we tell you to hate. Have faith in us. Welcome to Oceania.
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Soldato
What do you think of the 1500 killed in the past 6 weeks by Russia & Syria, mainly civilians? That's fine, yeah?
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Do you honestly expect an answer?
The pictures of people dead with foam in their airways is obviously not enough for him to be outraged, he thinks Russia and Syria is the moral high ground, and the destruction of facilities used to produce these chemical weapons is outrageous,
https://www.diplomatie.gouv.fr/IMG/...nal_assessment-_english-version_cle0c76b5.pdf
France has even provided information regarding their decision to act.
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Soldato
People have died or been maimed no doubt, including civilians shelled by the terrorists which the west said nary a word about. That's a figure bandied about as propaganda, which you have no qualms parroting. What you don't care to mention is that the west did nothing, as they never do, as the Jihadis came in and took hostages and forced them to dig underground tunnels, and launched an offensive, and then when repelled and their ammo runs out, entered into talks with Assad, to get safe passage out of Douma, which Assad agreed to in order to minimize casualties among the hostages. A vast number of terrorists have been bused out to the north, where they are encountering trouble being allowed into towns controlled by Turkish allies because they are too fanatic even for them. The figure mentioned is 1300 Jihadis, but unlike you, I'm not going to claim that is true. There is plenty of video evidence of the evacuation of the terrorists, however. And Assad didn't gas them in the buses. Strange, for a monster.
Get more info. Find some perspective.
Perhaps you should stop believing all the Russian PR/ stop watching Russia today, stop being so gullible etc...
Fact is Russia was full of hot air/bluster and did nothing in direct response to the attacks.
Soldato
There were so many ways that this could have gone wrong. However in this instance I believe that sufficient planning and intelligence was used to produce the correct response. I think that May also has adopted the correct tone and in my mind this was legal under the conventions for prohibition of use of chemical agents in warfare. No UNSC mandate would have been forthcoming as there would have been a veto.
This does need to come back into the political sphere, I do agree with Corbyn on that, but actions based on the restriction of use of chemicals are valid. Otherwise other countries are going to take their use as a precedence and that is a danger for everyone.
This does need to come back into the political sphere, I do agree with Corbyn on that, but actions based on the restriction of use of chemicals are valid. Otherwise other countries are going to take their use as a precedence and that is a danger for everyone.
And in doing so, answered the prayers of those who didn't trust their pathetic governments not to lose the plot, and hoped the adult in the room would not immediately retaliate.
Soldato
This is wmds all over again, it doesnt matter what you say the majority will shout and stamp their feet if you dont go with the flow.
Years later even if the truth comes out it will be too late, some will apologize admitting they got it wrong up until the next lie is told and then the same fools will fall for the same lies.
Years later even if the truth comes out it will be too late, some will apologize admitting they got it wrong up until the next lie is told and then the same fools will fall for the same lies.
The adult in the room? The one that in recent years decided to invade neighbouring countries (Georgia and Ukraine), shoot down a civilian airliner, conduct assassinations on UK soil with a radioactive isotope and more recently with a nerve agent and has now been actively supporting a regime while it massacres its own civilians including using chemical weapons.
Soldato
Its almost as if people want a war with russia...
Soldato
Ah I should have know you'd be one of the CT types...
Soldato
So are you saying if the West had got involved before the chemical weapons attack, that would have been ok?
I'm pretty sure the West is against ISIS, or have you fallen for the RT propaganda that it was created by us?
Soldato
georgia attacked south ossetia first