ISIL, ISIS, Daesh discussion thread.

[Mr Jack]

ISIS are the west's assets on the ground. You're seeing things inverted, as you've been programmed to.

Choo! Choo! All aboard the crazy train!

 

[Minusorange]

Choo! Choo! All aboard the crazy train!

You know instead of being insulting and childish you could offer a counter argument with some evidence as to why the opposing viewpoint to your own is incorrect

But hey it's easier to hurl turds at each other, it's not like our world leaders aren't doing it and just shows we have absolutely no hope when it comes to diplomacy vs aggression

 

[Danny75]

Just allow them all to get on with it then basically?

You know very well they wouldn't be able to get on with it and that the war would be over by now, if they weren't supporting them.

Where's the proof that we've done all these chemical attacks, if you can provide some, I'll happily change my tune.

No. In actual fact you're repeatedly providing evidence that you are most happy with no evidence. And you're very happy to continuously to look the other way, and ask petty questions in order to dilute the impact of indisputable facts.

You have to be more specific than the West I'm afraid, you're generalising too much. Whose assets are they exactly?

You did use the term yourself. And it's not just the west. Their presence and activities in Syria represent American, French, British and Saudi interests, to name a few. When their activities stray from these interests is when they get slapped on the wrist.

 

[Danny75]

You know instead of being insulting and childish you could offer a counter argument with some evidence as to why the opposing viewpoint to your own is incorrect

But hey it's easier to hurl turds at each other, it's not like our world leaders aren't doing it and just shows we have absolutely no hope when it comes to diplomacy vs aggression

It's because he has none.

Here's a useful list of fallacious/strawman arguments. Notice how many are regularly employed in this thread alone.

• Ad Hominem (Argument To The Man)
• Affirming The Consequent
• Amazing Familiarity
• Ambiguous Assertion
• Appeal To Anonymous Authority
• Appeal To Authority
• Appeal To Coincidence
• Appeal To Complexity
• Appeal To False Authority
• Appeal To Force
• Appeal To Pity (Appeal to Sympathy, The Galileo Argument)
• Appeal To Widespread Belief (Bandwagon Argument, Peer Pressure, Appeal To Common Practice)
• Argument By Dismissal
• Argument By Emotive Language (Appeal To The People)
• Argument By Fast Talking
• Argument By Generalization
• Argument By Gibberish (Bafflement)
• Argument By Half Truth (Suppressed Evidence)
• Argument By Laziness (Argument By Uninformed Opinion)
• Argument By Personal Charm
• Argument By Pigheadedness (Doggedness)
• Argument By Poetic Language
• Argument By Prestigious Jargon
• Argument By Question
• Argument By Repetition (Argument Ad Nauseam)
• Argument by Rhetorical Question
• Argument By Scenario
• Argument By Selective Observation
• Argument By Selective Reading
• Argument By Slogan
• Argument By Vehemence
• Argument From Adverse Consequences (Appeal To Fear, Scare Tactics)
• Argument From Age (Wisdom of the Ancients)
• Argument From Authority
• Argument From False Authority
• Argument From Personal Astonishment
• Argument From Small Numbers
• Argument From Spurious Similarity
• Argument Of The Beard
• Argument To The Future
• Bad Analogy
• Begging The Question (Assuming The Answer, Tautology)
• Burden Of Proof
• Causal Reductionism (Complex Cause)
• Contrarian Argument
• Changing The Subject (Digression, Red Herring, Misdirection, False Emphasis)
• Cliche Thinking
• Common Sense
• Complex Question (Tying)
• Confusing Correlation And Causation
• Disproof By Fallacy
• Equivocation
• Error Of Fact
• Euphemism
• Exception That Proves The Rule
• Excluded Middle (False Dichotomy, Faulty Dilemma, Bifurcation)
• Extended Analogy
• Failure To State
• Fallacy Of Composition
• Fallacy Of Division
• Fallacy Of The General Rule
• Fallacy Of The Crucial Experiment
• False Cause
• False Compromise
• Genetic Fallacy (Fallacy of Origins, Fallacy of Virtue)
• Having Your Cake (Failure To Assert, or Diminished Claim)
• Hypothesis Contrary To Fact
• Inconsistency
• Inflation Of Conflict
• Internal Contradiction
• Least Plausible Hypothesis
• Lies
• Meaningless Questions
• Misunderstanding The Nature Of Statistics (Innumeracy)
• Moving The Goalposts (Raising The Bar, Argument By Demanding Impossible Perfection)
• Needling
• Non Sequitur
• Not Invented Here
• Outdated Information
• Pious Fraud
• Poisoning The Wells
• Psychogenetic Fallacy
• Reductio Ad Absurdum
• Reductive Fallacy (Oversimplification)
• Reifying
• Short Term Versus Long Term
• Slippery Slope Fallacy (Camel's Nose)
• Special Pleading (Stacking The Deck)
• Statement Of Conversion
• Stolen Concept
• Straw Man (Fallacy Of Extension)
• Two Wrongs Make A Right (Tu Quoque, You Too)
• Weasel Wording

http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/skeptic/arguments.html

 

[Mr Jack]

You know instead of being insulting and childish you could offer a counter argument with some evidence as to why the opposing viewpoint to your own is incorrect

But hey it's easier to hurl turds at each other, it's not like our world leaders aren't doing it and just shows we have absolutely no hope when it comes to diplomacy vs aggression

Yeah, the best way to deal with trolls is to mock them. Debate based on stuff that isn't fruity-loopy conspiracy theories and I'll argue with it, but there's no point casting pearls before swine.

 

[XeNoN89]

Lmao using a list of debate tactics as a debate tactic

Bravo sir

 

[Danny75]

Yeah, the best way to deal with trolls is to mock them. Debate based on stuff that isn't fruity-loopy conspiracy theories and I'll argue with it, but there's no point casting pearls before swine.

Actually, the best way is to ignore them. So it's a compliment that you show yourself unable to, nor of countering an argument.

 

[Danny75]

Lmao using a list of debate tactics as a debate tactic

Bravo sir

Touche.

 

[Rroff]

Lmao using a list of debate tactics as a debate tactic

Bravo sir

Yet at the same time telling that he'd spend time on that.

 

[Danny75]

Yet at the same time telling that he'd spend time on that.

Ambiguous Assertion: a statement is made, but it is sufficiently unclear that it leaves some sort of leeway.

 

[Mr Jack]

Actually, the best way is to ignore them. So it's a compliment that you show yourself unable to, nor of countering an argument.

Yesss, that's exactly what's going on. You keep telling yourself that, Danny-Boy *pats head*

 

[Danny75]

Yesss, that's exactly what's going on. You keep telling yourself that, Danny-Boy *pats head*

Keep on proving it, Jacky-me-lad.

 

[dowie]

ISIS are the west's assets on the ground. You're seeing things inverted, as you've been programmed to.

and we've gone into full conspiraloon mode, you've been programmed

wake up sheeple!!!!!

 

[Danny75]

and we've gone into full conspiraloon mode, you've been programmed

wake up sheeple!!!!!

Yeah. Proxy wars. Who's got time for that conspiratorial nonsense. Well, maybe the head of the UN for one.

"We see confrontations and proxy wars involving several national armies, a number of armed opposition groups, many national and international militia, foreign fighters from everywhere in the world, and various terrorist organisations." ~ Antonio Guterres

 

[Minusorange]

Yeah, the best way to deal with trolls is to mock them. Debate based on stuff that isn't fruity-loopy conspiracy theories and I'll argue with it, but there's no point casting pearls before swine.

You call them trolls but I'm sure from their history they believe what they say

So what's better ? Keep someone living ignorance and mock them ? Or educate them in order to make them understand things better ?

I'd go for the latter rather than the former because ignorance is a plague

 

[Rroff]

Ambiguous Assertion: a statement is made, but it is sufficiently unclear that it leaves some sort of leeway.

Deflection - from your own inability to post anything of actual consequence.

 

[Danny75]

Deflection - from your own inability to post anything of actual consequence.

Needling: simply attempting to make the other person angry, without trying to address the argument at hand. Sometimes this is a delaying tactic.

 

[Rroff]

Needling: simply attempting to make the other person angry, without trying to address the argument at hand. Sometimes this is a delaying tactic.

Actually I was just curious as to what caused the seeming inferiority complex you have towards how others perceive you intellectually and your seeming one sided ability to apply critical thinking.

 

[Danny75]

Actually I was just curious as to what caused the seeming inferiority complex you have towards how others perceive you intellectually and your seeming one sided ability to apply critical thinking.

Interesting way of painting what happens when some who dish it out but can't take it, get it dished back.

 

[Rroff]

Oh we are going with that story are we now.