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Danny75 said:
Yes, that's not the point of my question. I even called it a rational conspiracy theory earlier (that the journalist was murdered). It doesn't make it a fact at the same time. So it's plainly a conspiracy theory, a rational one based on some evidence. I'm curious to know what Evangelion thinks it is, if it's not (the most likely) conspiracy theory.
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The difference between both sides is perspective and you're all right & wrong depending on your perspective, there's certainly no need to hound them in order to claim you're correct like you're doing as it doesn't help your position in trying to get them to understand.

It seems Russia has some new news for us though

https://www.rt.com/news/424280-russia-evidence-chemical-attack-staged/

Yes it's RT so take it with a grain of salt but to claim irrefutable evidence goes beyond spouting rhetoric

The next few weeks will certainly be interesting however if this is true
 
Minusorange said:
there's certainly no need to hound them in order to claim you're correct
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That's your opinion, which I respect. It could be perceived as hounding yes, like your interaction with Dowie the other day could also be perceived. I'm sure hounding to claim you were correct was not all you were doing but also seeking to understand the other's position (which can sometimes take several attempts).


Minusorange said:
like you're doing as it doesn't help your position in trying to get them to understand.
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Seems you didn't consider that it might help me understand him. He told me it wasn't. But he didn't tell me what it was.



Minusorange said:
It seems Russia has some new news for us though

https://www.rt.com/news/424280-russia-evidence-chemical-attack-staged/

Yes it's RT so take it with a grain of salt but to claim irrefutable evidence goes beyond spouting rhetoric

The next few weeks will certainly be interesting however if this is true
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Thanks for sharing.
 
HazardO said:
And this "irrefutable proof" is?
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I don't know but it doesn't make sense what they're saying

“We have not just a ‘high level of confidence,’ as our Western partners uniformly put it; we have irrefutable proof that there was no chemical attack in Douma on April 7,” Russia’s Ambassador to the Organization for the Prohibition of the Chemical Weapons Aleksandr Shulgin said at a special meeting of the UN chemical watchdog’s executive council. The diplomat added that the incident had been a “pre-planned false-flag attack by the British security services, which could have also been aided by their allies in Washington.”
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The 2 bold parts contradict

Unless I'm missing something ?
 
Moscow has “irrefutable proof” that the alleged chemical incident in Syria’s Douma was a “false-flag attack,” orchestrated by UK security services with support from the United States, the Russian envoy to the OPCW said.

“We have not just a ‘high level of confidence,’ as our Western partners uniformly put it; we have irrefutable proof that there was no chemical attack in Douma on April 7,” Russia’s Ambassador to the Organization for the Prohibition of the Chemical Weapons Aleksandr Shulgin said at a special meeting of the UN chemical watchdog’s executive council. The diplomat added that the incident had been a “pre-planned false-flag attack by the British security services, which could have also been aided by their allies in Washington.”
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Lol, their "proof" is probably one of those mannequin challenge memes from facebook >.>
 
Minusorange said:
I don't know but it doesn't make sense what they're saying



The 2 bold parts contradict

Unless I'm missing something ?
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In other words - no chemical attack, just a false-flag incident/attack. The language is confusing but I reckon that's the meaning. They may have been better served to use "false-flag provocation" to transmit their point across.
 
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So it didn't happen and it was a false flag operation by the British. How exactly did the French and the WHO get evidence of a chemical weapon attack then?
 
I am struggling to believe we're even capable of a false flag after seeing May and Rudd **** up today. Whenever governments or leaders say they have proof it was Assad, does it trickle down to your average Joe? Have the WHO completed a report? After the US admitted (this story certainly slipped under the radar) they don't have conclusive evidence last year's sarin attack was done by Assad, everything becomes so murky. The cynic in me is suspicious that both major chemical attacks correlate shortly after the announcements of regime change been off the table (last year) and Trump announcing a quick withdrawal respectively. But a British false flag? Not sure I buy that.
 
Danny75 said:
In other words - no chemical attack, just a false-flag incident/attack. The language is confusing but I reckon that's the meaning. They may have been better served to use "false-flag provocation" to transmit their point across.
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Seems strange though, I always thought the purpose of a false flag was to create an actual event which places blame on an innocent party, not a fabricated lie which didn't even happen :confused:

Take 9/11 people claim it a false flag, but 2 planes did actually fly into the 2 towers the false flag angle is whether terrorists or government did it no ?

Also according to OPCW Russia/Syria are blocking them from entering Douma citing security concerns

https://www.opcw.org/fileadmin/OPCW/EC/88/en/ecm58dg01_e_.pdf

:confused::confused::confused:
 
well just like when all the others claim to have proof i'd like to see proof provided by the russians too.
so far all ive seen is a youtube video and according to the OPCW you cant tell from a video or image
 
The Team has not yet deployed to Douma.

The Syrian and the Russian officials who participated in the preparatory meetings in Damascus have informed the FFM Team that there were still pending security issues to be worked out before any deployment could take place.
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Actively blocking - well the jury would be out - but certainly they don't have access yet.
 
Minusorange said:
I don't know but it doesn't make sense what they're saying

The 2 bold parts contradict

Unless I'm missing something ?
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They meant there was no chemical attack by the SAA.

ubersonic said:
Lol, their "proof" is probably one of those mannequin challenge memes from facebook >.>
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Well, that be no different then the proof that we used to bomb Syria, since their intelliegence was based from twitter. lol
 
Classic Russia. Love your work, guys: 'Russian Trolls Denied Syrian Gas Attack—Before It Happened.'

Here's a good website for independent information on Syria: https://thesyriacampaign.org

IronWarrior said:
Well, that be no different then the proof that we used to bomb Syria, since their intelliegence was based from twitter. lol
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Completely false.

Blood and urine samples from the site of a suspected chemical weapons attack in Syria have tested positive for chlorine gas and a nerve agent, according to U.S. officials.

MSNBC reported Thursday that the U.S. obtained samples from the attack site in Douma, a suburb of Damascus, and determined that they contained traces of chlorine gas and an unidentified nerve agent.

While officials did not identify the nerve agent as sarin, the Syrian government is believed to have used the deadly chemical weapon a number of times during the country's seven-year civil war.
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(Source).
 
Robert Fisk visits Douma:

Before we go any further, readers should be aware that this is not the only story in Douma. There are the many people I talked to amid the ruins of the town who said they had “never believed in” gas stories – which were usually put about, they claimed, by the armed Islamist groups. These particular jihadis survived under a blizzard of shellfire by living in other’s people’s homes and in vast, wide tunnels with underground roads carved through the living rock by prisoners with pick-axes on three levels beneath the town.

https://www.independent.co.uk/voice...uma-robert-fisk-ghouta-damascus-a8307726.html
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