Russia shot it down.
ISIL, ISIS, Daesh discussion thread.
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Russia shot it down.
The deal with ISIS, the deal with Jaysh Al Islam, or both?
Do you have any evidence of this? Considering it's contrary to both everything seen thus far (from credible sources) and the air crash investigation team report.
I mean, on the last page you were helping mock the conspiracy guy and now your posting one of your own :S
Wonders if the penny is dropping, as to what I was getting at...
I see a Russian journalist who was investigating the death of Russian mercenaries in Syria has accidentally fallen from his 5th floor flat:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-43781351
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-43781351
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Just another unfortunate case of Putincide. Nothing to see here folks, nothing to see...
Like I said in the main Russia thread, he mysteriously fell down his buildings elevator shaft onto some bullets, Putin has called it a tragic suicide
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ISIS, the article was about ISIS.
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Putin has a long and well established history of assassinating journalists and political dissidents, so this is not a conspiracy theory.
'Hillary Clinton and John Podesta are running a Satanic paedophile network from the basement of a pizza shop' is a conspiracy theory.
Not really, not at all in fact, South Ossetia isn't a recognised state but is part of Georgia run by separatists, Georgia's invasion was in response to Russian/Russian separatists attacks.
If you want to believe things at face value - yes you can pretend that Russian troops using Russian military equipment are simply part of the rebels. Just to make sure though, this wasn't some locally recruited fighter, it was a Russian soldier and Russian military equipment which you can claim for the sake of argument was temporarily part of the rebels. The Russian soldier may have even officially resigned from the Russian army (after being ordered to and told he's being deployed to Ukraine with the rest of his unit).
It may not be recognised by all countries (hell it isn't even recognised by most) but it's been an independent state for 28 years now, if Georgia wanted to annex it they should have done so long before their 2008 invasion.
I prefer to deal with facts, we know for a fact that the plane was downed by a missile fired from a Buk located in rebel territory, and we know the most likely explanation is that it was fired by rebels using one of the Buks we know for a fact they captured from Ukraine a few weeks prior (and allegedly used to down an An-26 three days before). We also know for a fact that a Buk (most likely the one responsible for MH17) was photographed being transported east out of Ukraine and into Russia.
The facts to me imply with a vast degree of certainty that it was Ukrainian pro-Russian rebels who were responsible and Russia assisted them in trying to hide it, but the idea that Russia itself carried out the attack is unfounded speculation.
again they were responding to repeated attacks launched from there - the shelling of Georgian villages... I've pointed out the attacks already but you've selectively ignored that fact and then just made some facile comment about how they should have annexed it earlier.
I think you're speculating (quite a lot more) by assuming the launcher was captured and some random rebel was able to simply use it (or did they just happen to have someone with training in operating that particular bit of equipment too?) - rather than the much more likely explanation that it was one of the Russian soldiers using the Russian equipment that are known to have crossed the border.
Other than that it is highly likely to have been a Buk launcher due to the height and speed of the aircraft (and the mostly likely explanation from the damage analysis) and that the launcher(s) were known to be active in the area I've not seen anything that conclusively narrows it down more than that.
Humans also have a long and well established history of committing suicide, too.
So, if you are going with a theory that someone conspired to murder him, with all your heart, no crossing fingers or anything, no doubts at all, then it's not a conspiracy theory. Can you describe for me what it is, then?
I was actually pointing out that it hasn't been part of Georgia in nearly three decades, and I fully agree the Ossetians shouldn't have been shelling Georgian villages, but Georgia had other options than invasion, hell they could have asked Russia to help (sounds comical as it's Russia but it's something they have done repeatedly in the past).
We know for a fact they captured a number of them a couple of weeks before (and like I said they had been believed to have used one against an An-26 a few days before), considering how easy they are to acquire/shoot targets with the idea they used one of the captured ones then Russia helped them smuggle it away is a lot more plausible than the theory that Russia secretly smuggled them some additional Buks plus operators (operators that would have been able to differentiate a commercial target from a military one).
The crash investigators managed to narrow the warhead down specifically to the type used in USSR era Buks due to the unique flak design. It could only have come from a Buk. (Mayday Air crash investigation did an excellent episode on it explaining how the investigators reached every conclusion, they compared the design of flak from dozens of different AA warheads).
Journalists in Russia seem to have a strange proclivity towards committing suicide their counter-parts in the West don't seem to share... you don't think that odd?
Yes, that's not the point of my question. I even called it a rational conspiracy theory earlier (that the journalist was murdered). It doesn't make it a fact at the same time. So it's plainly a conspiracy theory, a rational one based on some evidence. I'm curious to know what Evangelion thinks it is, if it's not (the most likely) conspiracy theory.
I don't think relations were going to well at that point... but regardless the point still stands, they were attacked and they responded.
no it isn't, we know that Russian troops and military equipment are and were there