ISIL, ISIS, Daesh discussion thread.

HazardO · 18 Apr 2018 at 16:08

It's almost as if someone has an interest in preventing the team from examining the sites.

Dis86 · 18 Apr 2018 at 16:10

HazardO said:
It's almost as if someone has an interest in preventing the team from examining the sites.

Noooo. The Syrian and Russian governments are honest remember.

IronWarrior · 18 Apr 2018 at 17:11

People getting shot at in a war zone, who would ever believe?

But let's put our tin foil hats on and believe it was them sneaky Russians 007 comrades who shot at them, because it's not like they already haven't had two whole weeks to do whatever they wanted to the site before. lol

The rebels have left, but there are still ex army of islam "militants" who stayed behind who switched sides, who have been "reconciled" and from what I read, they are being turned into a local militia, it's one of the reasons why the Russian Military Police are still there.

There has also been "sleeper cells" attacks before.

The escorts for the FFM was by UN teams only. They didn't have any escorts from SAA or the Russian Military Police, UNDSS (The United Nations Department of Safety and Secruity) wanted to recon the area first by themselves. The area is under Russian Military Police control only. No SAA.

It seems, a large angry mob greeted them and that's when shots started to happen.

Which shouldn't come as a surprise, the people there hate the UN, the West, especially after the fact, we just bombed their country.

IronWarrior · 18 Apr 2018 at 18:33

https://twitter.com/WhiteHelmetsEXP/status/985554922400821248

RoboCod · 18 Apr 2018 at 19:58

IronWarrior said:
Which shouldn't come as a surprise, the people there hate the UN, the West, especially after the fact, we just bombed their country.

They don't hate the Russians then?

Dis86 · 18 Apr 2018 at 20:56

RoboCod said:
They don't hate the Russians then?

No. They're not bombing anyone. Nope. Not gassing anyone. Nope.

StriderX · 18 Apr 2018 at 22:01

Dis86 said:
Can't see why there would be any rebels there at all since they were defeated...so just who are these armed people?

It's obviously Russian obfuscation, but there's always a chance that some rebels disagreed with the retreat and or being killed with alleged chemicals.

Sankari · 19 Apr 2018 at 04:16

Syria is now denying access to the chemical attack site:

Russia and the Syrian regime have been accused by western diplomats of denying chemical weapons inspectors access to sites in the town of Douma, where an attack killed dozens and prompted US-led missile strikes over the weekend. Russia and Syria had cited “pending security issues” before inspectors could deploy to the town outside Damascus, said Ahmet Üzümcü, the director general of the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW), at a meeting of its executive council.

Syrian authorities were offering 22 people to interview as witnesses instead, he said, adding that he hoped “all necessary arrangements will be made … to allow the team to deploy to Douma as soon as possible”.

(Source).

I guess they need a little more time to clean up...

Freakbro · 19 Apr 2018 at 08:13

Shining a light on the active social media accounts seemingly part of the disinformation war over Syria

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-43745629

Dis86 · 19 Apr 2018 at 09:30

Quite an interesting read that. Shills and bots it seems! Oh my!

ubersonic · 19 Apr 2018 at 14:47

This has only been reported on dodgy news sites so far so take it with a pinch of salt but there's reports coming in that Iraq has now joined Iran/Russia/etc in backing up the Syrian government:

BEIRUT, LEBANON (2:59 P.M.) – Moments ago, confirmed information surfaced that the Iraqi Air Force had begun to target Islamic State positions with multiple strikes in Syria’s eastern province of Deir Ezzor.

According to reports, Iraq warplanes have so far delivered at least five strikes against ISIS in Deir Ezzor’s eastern countryside.

An Iraqi military-diplomatic source says that airstrikes are the result of a new agreement reached between Baghdad and Damascus whereby the latter has given permission to the former to carry out offensive air operations over Syrian territory.

https://www.almasdarnews.com/articl...r-new-agreement-with-syrian-military-reached/

gettothechopper · 19 Apr 2018 at 15:38

ubersonic said:
This has only been reported on dodgy news sites so far so take it with a pinch of salt but there's reports coming in that Iraq has now joined Iran/Russia/etc in backing up the Syrian government:

https://www.almasdarnews.com/articl...r-new-agreement-with-syrian-military-reached/

East of Deir Ezzor is Kurdish / US backed areas anyway so its perhaps rather indirect in its support of Assad, rather that everyone has a mutual enemy in ISIS?

IronWarrior · 19 Apr 2018 at 18:46

https://twitter.com/trbrtc

This is a good guy to follow. Every time the media or some random posts a old video or picture taken from an other conflict but uses it for something happening now, he points it out.

Good posts here

https://twitter.com/trbrtc/status/984979830331576320

The Running Man · 19 Apr 2018 at 18:58

Freakbro said:
Shining a light on the active social media accounts seemingly part of the disinformation war over Syria

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-43745629

I'd like it if they shone a torch on the 'moderate rebels, who they are and where they are after 6 years of fighting. How moderate are they now?

How impartial is the white helmets reporting of incidents?

Let's have both sides of the story for the sake of impartiality.

Amnesia · 19 Apr 2018 at 19:00

https://www.rt.com/news/424563-douma-boy-chemical-video/
russia has found one of the kids in the video which was posted as evidence of a chemical attack.

IronWarrior · 19 Apr 2018 at 19:03

Amnesia said:
https://www.rt.com/news/424563-douma-boy-chemical-video/
russia has found one of the kids in the video which was posted as evidence of a chemical attack.

This link has a interview with him: https://twitter.com/syricide/status/986796476499222529?s=21

Second half of the video is few posts down.

Subtitles are kinda incorrect in some of the Syrian parts, hopeful someone will provide a better translation soon.

Russia is planning on showing an interview with the boy sometime soon to the UN. Their video and translation should be fully accurate.

Danny75 · 19 Apr 2018 at 19:20

Would be good to have a better translation, yes.

Also video of (alleged) nurses at that medical outpost, giving their account:

Rroff · 19 Apr 2018 at 19:24

IronWarrior said:
Russia is planning on showing an interview with the boy sometime soon to the UN.

Not quite sure why - from what I can make out he was dragged out of his home by people shouting about a gas attack, taken to a hospital and hosed down as a precaution and doesn't seem to know any more or less than that which doesn't prove or disprove anything (or than any narration that claims specifically he was directly exposed).

Amnesia · 19 Apr 2018 at 19:30

precaution ....?
wasnt that video meant to be the proof of a chemical attack and these kids were the victims of it?

Rroff · 19 Apr 2018 at 19:32

Amnesia said:
precaution ....?
wasnt that video meant to be the proof of a chemical attack and these kids were the victims of it?

One child though in a bigger incident (or "incident").