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you really think the US would be handing around equipment to some random rebels in Syria
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Yes, because that's what they did.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_Train_and_Equip_Program

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timber_Sycamore

The insanity of these programs that the different members of the opposing forces started to fight each other. lol
One group that was trained and fully equipped, disappeared and sold their weapons and gear off to other opposing forces. lol

All this has been posted before in this topic.
 
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Hint the whole sentence doesn't say the US army didn't or hasn't supplied ISIS or rebels and isn't making claims they didn't.

It is highly unlikely however, even assuming they were directly supporting these groups, that they directly supplied ISIS with equipment from the military inventory that has strict controls on export, etc.
 
But surely the US knowingly supplying the conflict on any side would have the supplies ultimately end up dispersed in any number of ways, hell some of these weapons could end up killing Americans.

With said knowledge, it's rather obvious that the US doesn't give a **** and just wants to justify it's military budget for as long as possible, to cover up for all the multitude of social reforms needed in America currently.

Militarist nations always fail faster than more egalitarian or pacifistic adventures, it's just how it is, especially now since we aren't the low-tech animals we once were. Which is ultimately why the Middle-east has been in perpetual war for the entirety of human existence in the area (not saying other places haven't been, but thankfully and recently the rest of the world has calmed a tad), they only really know militarism.
 
StriderX said:
But surely the US knowingly supplying the conflict on any side would have the supplies ultimately end up dispersed in any number of ways, hell some of these weapons could end up killing Americans.
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Amongst other things a lot of US provided equipment was left behind in some of the retreats from ISIS in Iraq, etc. in the earlier days in some cases with embedded US troops having to leave heavy equipment behind when the government forces pulled back as they had no choice - which is one possible way such equipment could have been obtained - I'm not inferring or suggesting there that the US hasn't provided equipment directly to these types only that it isn't as cut and dried as some are trying to suggest - and anyone who has been following events there closely would know this hence my comments about objectivity.

So yeah almost certainly US weapons have ended up killing Americans in some of these cases whether provided to "moderate" types who've been overrun or switch allegiances, etc. and/or in some cases they've provided equipment like machineguns to brokers who've literally then ran off and sold it to the highest bidder rather than its intended recipient.

For example http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/0...a-chaotic-us-effort-to-arm-syrian-rebels.html
 
ISIS has been deleted in the SDF part of Syria, that little grey area is the only place they control now, won't be long till that section is cleared too.

SAA major operations in the south right now are doing huge sweeps to locate ISIS sleeper cells.

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SAA is shelling the FSA all along their front.

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There is talk that Idlib want's to reconcile and rejoin under government control again, but HTS (Al-Qaeda, Nusra Front or Army of Islam) terrorists are executing those who speak out.

Other rumours is that Turkey is trying to remove all terrorist groups from Idlib and the area in a attempt to stop the need for SAA to assault the city.

The general feeling is that everyone has had enough of the war and wants to return to peace.
 
Be interesting to see how that area around Idlib pans out - lot of Turkish backing but also I believe that general area is the main preserve of AQ now who won't want to give it up.
 
Seen some rumours of evidence emerging he was working with ISIS all along (not like leading them but getting them to do some of his dirty work) or something not sure if its anything but propaganda.

On a sort of related note as I don't think we have a more relevant thread currently - looks like things could be escalating around Gaza in the next few days and some interesting possible developments around the Golan.
 
This is worth reading.
BAGHDAD — The driver was sweating as his white Kia pickup truck sped along a rain-slicked Baghdad highway toward a neighborhood bustling with open-air markets.

With every jolt and turn, his pulse quickened. Hidden in the truck’s chassis was 1,100 pounds of military-grade explosives that the Islamic State planned to use in an audacious attack on New Year’s Eve shoppers in the Iraqi capital.

A reckless driver on Iraq’s notoriously chaotic roads might clip him, accidentally setting off the bomb. A clash at one of Baghdad’s frequent checkpoints could escalate into gunfire, potentially igniting one hellish fireball.

But there was another reason he was afraid. The driver, Capt. Harith al-Sudani, was a spy.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/12/world/middleeast/iraqi-spy-isis.html
 
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The latest from Syria:

https://thesyriacampaign.org/
http://whoiskillingciviliansinsyria.org/

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Assad's forces are now sweeping through Daraa, attacking civilians indiscriminately. More than 270,000 have fled their homes, but Jordan has closed her border, so the refugees have no escape.
 
Evangelion said:
The latest from Syria:
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Looks more like Facebook than Syria xD

I mean they could have at least tried to make it look genuine...

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For reference, the number of civilians allegedly killed by the regime alone in that graphic is nearly double the amount killed in the conflict lol.

I would guess looking at that it's using the SOHR numbers not the official ones. The SOHR numbers count deaths of rebel fighters who didn't defect from the Syrian military (I.E most rebel fighter deaths) as civilian deaths.
 
you really believe that crap? I can submit a report for you to the syrian network for human rights and you can be the first ocuk member recorded as a death by the regime as long as at least one other person reports it as well, what method of death would you like to be listed as barrel bomb from the regime? I'm sure their numbers are unverifiable and full of crap
 
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