ISIL, ISIS, Daesh discussion thread.

Skunkworks said:
It will take brutality and collateral to deal with ISIS – Russia has a higher tolerance for that than the west. The west doesn’t want to get its hands dirty, or at least not directly, so they just arm people and then look the other way.

As for Russia not attacking ISIS, they’re attacking all opposition forces to try and restore order. I doubt they’re even differentiating between them, and just hitting the best targets as they present themselves.
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Arm people and look the other way? You decide to completely ignore any statistics on missions flown, ordnance dropped or ISIL tgts destroyed then?
 
Russia should just go all out and drop some massive bombs or start levelling cities with tos1.

since arab states opposed to assad have started arming the rebels with anti tank weapons, I bet we will see Russian helicopters getting shot down soon too.

probably turkey the so called nato ally that aids isis all the time
 
Skunkworks said:
Targets that involve zero collateral.
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Out of all targets then, do you know how many targets we have successfully hit and then how many targets we have not successfully hit due to the restriction of our zero expectation to civcas? Bearing in mind the statement "zero expectation" and that this is the UK policy and not US policy.

Are you effectively advocating the killing of innocent people to reach the goal?
 
RoboCod said:
Out of all targets then, do you know how many targets we have successfully hit and then how many targets we have not successfully hit due to the restriction of our zero expectation to civcas? Bearing in mind the statement "zero expectation" and that this is the UK policy and not US policy.
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Nobody needs to know every last detail to know that we don’t bomb ISIS held towns and cities as the fighters and equipment are dispersed in amongst civvies, a lot of which hate ISIS as much as us.
RoboCod said:
Are you effectively advocating the killing of innocent people to reach the goal?
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I'm saying that's what it will take.
 
ubersonic said:
I know, it means "I understand your post and know it's right, but I'm gonna be rude to you because you used some grammar wrong". Hence my passive aggressive reply talking exception to your bullying indirectly.
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Ah, I see, you think we're talking about grammar :rolleyes: like I said, dull. I'm discussing context and content here. His statement makes no sense.

Skunkworks said:
Nobody needs to know every last detail to know that we don’t bomb ISIS held towns and cities as the fighters and equipment are dispersed in amongst civvies, a lot of which hate ISIS as much as us.

I'm saying that's what it will take.
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Actually, you need the detail, the data/statistics to back up your statements otherwise it is mere conjecture. You don't seem to be presenting any factual data so your view point shall remain to be conjecture. You clearly don't know what we do and don't do and I can tell you that you're wrong on both accounts. I think it's quite sad that some people are quite willing to accept mass casualty of innocents to achieve the goal. Again, out of touch with reality.
 
RoboCod said:
Ah, I see, you think we're talking about grammar :rolleyes: like I said, dull. I'm discussing context and content here. His statement makes no sense.

Actually, you need the detail, the data/statistics to back up your statements otherwise it is mere conjecture. You don't seem to be presenting any factual data so your view point shall remain to be conjecture. You clearly don't know what we do and don't do and I can tell you that you're wrong on both accounts. I think it's quite sad that some people are quite willing to accept mass casualty of innocents to achieve the goal. Again, out of touch with reality.
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I'm sure if you write a strongly worded letter to IS leaders saying how sad it makes you that innocent people die because they are hiding behind them or using them as human shields they'll stop doing it.
 
Skunkworks said:
We have the firepower to destroy every ISIS held city in Iraq and Syria, so why haven't we?
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Because that is ludicrous. Should we bomb Moscow? How about Pyongyang? In fact I'm not sure why I'm even entertaining any discussion with you.

This is why you are sat on your computer at home not making any of these decisions.

Above&Beyond said:
I'm sure if you write a strongly worded letter to IS leaders saying how sad it makes you that innocent people die because they are hiding behind them or using them as human shields they'll stop doing it.
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Another advocate of killing innocent people? Since when did everyone on this forum become such blood thirsty morons? What if we swapped all these local civilians with white western people, that wouldn't be ok would it I guess? Brown people are worth less yes?
 
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