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Lets ignore the fact the guy has been 'detained' at gitmo for the past 14 years WITHOUT TRIAL OR ANT CHARGES AGAINST HIM and not a single shred of evidence has been found or presented for his the US's claims against him.

Innocent until proven guilty - he's a well known charity worker and a huge amount of pressure has been applied by both charities and MP's here in the UK for his release.

But hey - lets not let scorza stop with his hatred - zomg de muslimz are invading us from gitmo.

right... he was over there on 'charity work'... I don't have a problem with the initial detention, he was taken prisoner in a warzone and it isn't like he was over there for his holidays

sure if they're not going to put him on trial then let him go but I don't see why we need him in the UK, he isn't a citizen...
 
Ah so the terrorist's human rights (right to family life) would be violated if we didn't let him back in then.

If they don't revoke the ILTR then yes, that is exactly what a court would find if challenged.
If they revoke the right, then he would fail the checks to allow him to obtain a visa.
Their call.

-edit Moses, wasn't a having a go at you, just restating what I said to attempt to clarify that on this topic I have little to no views, given my views count for nothing and the entire middle east mess and Islamic spread is so far advanced, stopping one munters right of travel isn't likely to achieve anything at all.
 
Are there any reliable sources for this claim?

he has worked for a couple of Islamic charities and a Kuwaiti NGO... he first worked for one in Bosnia but was also allegedly a fighter over there too.

strangely enough he decided to carry out his last bit of Charity work in Afghanistan under a false Belgium passport, he also had some interesting friends in the UK and attended the usual dodgy mosques at the same time as various other UK related terrorists... which of course could also be sheer bad luck

He did a bit of 'charity work' in Afghanistan under the Taliban and chose to move his family over there - for some strange reason he took his family to the Pakistan border when he felt Afghanistan was getting a bit unsafe but then chose to return by himself to Tora Bora where he was captured


Obviously having a fake passport, having been to mosques and associated with dodgy terrorist types and even, allegedly, sharing an apartment with one in Brixton doesn't make you a terrorist. Neither does dropping your family off at the border then returning to the area where al quaeda were fighting

but it could make people rather suspicious - frankly they've got no evidence that would stand up in court - the people who can alleged that he was a commander etc.. were other detainees whoe were basically tortured, his initial statements were basically under torture too so equally useless

all they've got is a guy who kept some suspicious company in the UK, was caught with a fake passport in a warzone after having traveled away from safety and back to where fighting was taking place - having a fake passport and being in the wrong place at the wrong time isn't sufficient for any court to find him guilty of anything terror related
 
Charity work, that's what noraid called it here in northern Ireland when gathering money. Most of which bought ak47's, m16's, Barret sniper rifles and semtex by the ton load. Probably got a discount for bulk purchase. That's not counting the shiploads of free arms from gadadfi. Who in return received a German shepherd dog and a carriage clock from the provos as a wee thank you.
 
Reminds me of the Spectator article -

A nation rejoices! After a campaign waged from the political right and left, the UK can now finally welcome back Shaker Aamer. This is the man generally described as ‘the last British resident’ in Guantanamo. As he returns to these shores we can confidently predict that he will now be accorded the same human-rights hero status previously accorded to such luminaries of that scene as Moazzam Begg.

Of course Aamer’s supporters claim that he was only in Afghanistan in 2001 because he was carrying out ‘voluntary work for an Islamic charity.’ Another case of someone just being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Funnily enough Shaker Aamer is an old friend of Moazzam Begg. Which is interesting not least because at Gitmo, Begg himself identified Aamer as a ‘recruiter for al-Qaeda’. He said that Aamer had fought in Bosnia and had been a member of the jihadist group run by Abu Zubair al-Haili (a senior al-Qaeda operative from Saudi Arabia) and had among other things spent ’30 days training on the AK-47 and rocket propelled grenades’. Seven separate sources at Guantanamo also described Aamer’s connections to al-Qaeda.

Of course this and much more about Aamer (available here if anyone is interested) is unlikely to come up in the post-Gitmo homecoming parade. From the Daily Mail to the Guardian, the British public will now be able to watch Aamer enjoy a veritable ticker-tape parade return. We will soon be able to read his descriptions of the horrors of Guantanamo and pleas of his ‘wrong-place, wrong-time’ innocence. And it will be swallowed up, as it has been for every previous returning detainee, because of undoubted complaints about the way in which America has done things at Guantanamo and an unbelievable societal naivety. And whereas we can expect every charge against Aamer to be dismissed by the media, we can expect every charge he makes against the US to be swallowed whole.

http://blogs.new.spectator.co.uk/20...ntanamo-and-the-questions-that-wont-be-asked/
 
As Russia's invasion of Syria intensifies, so does her indiscriminate slaughter of civilians:

At least four hospitals have been bombed by fighter jets in north-western Syria since Russia’s intervention in the war began in late September, doctors and international observers claim.

The latest attack, on Tuesday, killed at least 12 people at Sarmin hospital in Idlib province. At least three of the victims were believed to be medical staff. Survivors and witnesses said the hospital was hit by two airstrikes at about 1pm.

Dr Mohamed Tennari, director of Sarmin hospital, said the facility appeared to have been directly targeted and could no longer serve patients on one of the fiercest frontlines in the war.

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Airstrikes believed to have been carried out by Russian warplanes in western Syria are reported to have killed dozens of civilians, Human Rights Watch says, suggesting that the bombings appear to be war crimes.

The aerial attacks took place in the northern part of Homs governate on October 15 as Russian and Syrian planes were supporting a ground offensive by the Syrian military and its allies against rebel groups, the rights group said in a statement Sunday.

...The deadliest airstrike in Homs was reported to have hit a house in the village of Ghantou, killing 46 members of an extended family, the rights group said, citing first responders and local activists.

(Source).

Russian airstrikes in Syria may have killed “several hundred” civilians already and raise the risk of accidental confrontation with Western forces, the Defence Secretary has said.

(Source).
 
As Russia's invasion of Syria intensifies, so does her indiscriminate slaughter of civilians:



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Yes but you only have to look back through this thread to see that some people really don't care. They welcome all out indiscriminate bombing by Russia and mock the west for not doing the same. Apparently, using direct fire weapons and low collateral policy is perceived as the wrong approach.
 
Yes but you only have to look back through this thread to see that some people really don't care. They welcome all out indiscriminate bombing by Russia and mock the west for not doing the same. Apparently, using direct fire weapons and low collateral policy is perceived as the wrong approach.

Yes, like our good buddy deuse up there. I've no idea why he's got such a raging anti-Western pro-Russian boner for Putin. Perhaps he's a closet Commie?

So what you've really got is "may have killed" "believed to have been carried out by Russian" "doctors and international observers claim"

You're as bad a the EU\USA.

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Yes but you only have to look back through this thread to see that some people really don't care. They welcome all out indiscriminate bombing by Russia and mock the west for not doing the same. Apparently, using direct fire weapons and low collateral policy is perceived as the wrong approach.

Supporting indiscriminate bombing, does that make them extremists?

I guess it does:

extremist
ɪkˈstriːmɪst,ɛk-/Submit
nounderogatory
plural noun: extremists
a person who holds extreme political or religious views, especially one who advocates illegal, violent, or other extreme action
 
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