ISPs to be ordered to boot illegal downloaders

I cant see it going through, maybe P2P but that can be used for legal thing as well. I think ISPA will just say they will police it them selves and just give the EU a slap on the wrist when they are caught.
 
I doubt if ISPs have the storage facilities to keep back ups of what everyone downloads. All they keep are traces of where you have been and possibly the amount of data you downloaded.

If you use a proxy what will that tell them. They would then have to go to the proxy to find out.

Or is that too simplistic a view? Can they know what you are downloading without saving a copy and how could they possibly hope to save copies of everything their clients download?
 
furnace said:
Hrm, I sent this text in to BBC 1 Radio a minute ago and just got a call on my answer phone from Newsbeat wanting to talk about it?!!

Here's what I said:

"I can go online and download a tool which will make it impossible for ISPs to see what I'm doing [I'm talking about the likes of Tor]. Monitoring downloads is just an invasion of privacy and will not hinder hard-core pirates who are already using measures which stop ISPs seeing what they are really up to online. The problem that needs to be addressed is the price, availability and restrictions currently associated with music and films, but the production companies are too stubborn to accept the fact that their products are now worth less, and would rather force us in to an overpriced market than cater for what consumers demand at a price they are willing to pay."

I don't know whether to call them back or not... It'd be cool to chat but I've got a pretty awful phone manner - some reason I find it hard to speak to people I don't know unless it's face-to-face.
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You should.. Stand up for what you think :P I'm also listening..
 
I think this will pan out rather like the file sharing woman in the states. The less gifted amongst us Computer users will download the file called 'Mariah Carey's latest album.mp3', those more savvy will download the encrypted rar file, with a password, from the private tracker.
 
ISP's can use some pretty sophisticated techniques to basically perform man in the middle attacks. Remember SSL and the likes is a tunneling protocol, it makes it very difficult for a 3rd party to sniff from the outside but your ISP is not a 3rd party, they control your pipe.

Gets into very dodgy privacy and legal ground.
 
Seems like a reasonable attempt to do something about the problem of online theft. Not sure about how it's going to work in practice but the theory is sound imo.
 
Isn't the ISPs default position on piracy that they are just a conduit to the rest of the network and it's not their business to police what people are using it for?

To use a rather dodgy analogy its like asking Ford or BMW to warn, suspend then ban persistent speeders.
 
Yes, but this is a government report leading to a possible law, so the ISP's responsibilities could be changed.

To extend your manufacturers analogy, it would be like ford monitoring all your driving all of the time and then being expected to take action or pass the information over.
 
It still amazes me the number of people that can't see that downloading vast quantities of copyright material is wrong. The general attitude inthis thread seems to be that the government and the ISP's should do nothing and just let the situation continue?

As for the guy who said it's all about price? pull the other one it's got bells on thats just an excuse and as long as there is the possibility of getting something for free rather than paying even a small amount for it the problem will continue sadly it seems to be human nature.
 
At a guess I would say about 90% of internet users download or use illegal software / music / films. It would be the end of ISP's if they enforced this fully. They may try and make examples of a few, but even that would hit there user base hard as they all swap to a more liberal ISP.

They only provide a service it is up to us how we use it and the police to enforce it. E.g. Ford have no responsibility to people speeding using there cars, nor do the people who build/maintain the roads that they can speed on.

From what iv read ISP's already hold all this information which they need to give up if asked by the police, the only change I think should happen is the ISP should stop holding this information and leave it all to the police.
 
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