What do you mean you're not given much choice? You're given every choice. You choose to pirate because you want to pay less money through illegal channels. Simple.
ISPs to be ordered to boot illegal downloaders
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What do you mean you're not given much choice? You're given every choice. You choose to pirate because you want to pay less money through illegal channels. Simple.
What are you talking about? Are you referring to the fact that I can't stand metal music?
Yes, I was making a quip. Not the fact that I think you pirate material [though I don't know whether you do or not].
Not given much of a choice, in the sense that there are not really any suitable options for me.. Hmm buy sky subscription(12month contract, installation charges etc) and then have to keep paying for it while Prison Break isnt even shown?? Im sorry but if companys think I should have to pay THAT much just to watch Prison Break they can swivel. And even then Im paying for something that the folks across the pond saw before me, Whereas I could pirate it, without the _HUNDREDS_ of pounds hit of a sky subscription, watch it WHEN i wanted(dont have a tape recorder or DVD-R) without adverts, at an earlier date than with Sky.
Hmm.. Its a no brainer for me, I wish someone would wise the **** up and broadcast the programs that really suffer from copying online with ads, I want them to get the money they deserve. I am someone currently in a degree which is heavily linked with the film industry(production+technical side) and obviously if i went into the industry pirates would be stealing my work, but I wouldnt blame them, Id blame the idiot that chose not to embrace the internet like others seem to be.
BBC+Channel4, legendary for the On-Demand stuff tbh, Even when it was just on my Virgin box, loved the idea of it, great that its all on internet now too.
Even then, id much rather pay 50p-£1 to watch something when i wanted it than find a lower quality torrent, which I have to wait to download.
It bugs me when people think its ok that the industry is to far up itself to cater for the people it serves, the people who lose out the most are the crew, followed by the consumer IMO, and thats someone who is training to be one of the crew, and who is the consumer.
what makes you think it's not ok, though? Why shouldn't people be able to watch something that's already been aired in a foreign country?
I've always been of the opinion that if digital arts were reasonably priced, then less people would pirate material. Yes, you'll always have some who won't buy, but I believe them to be in the minority. Why should people pay £16 for a CD that probably cost about £1 to make once production has run? Madness
indeed, altho lets face it cds aint really £16 nowadays, I wont pay £8 for an album cos i know most of the songs will be pants, not really a hardcore music fan now anydays really.
When i was much more into it I just downloaded CDs and then I would go to see the band play, they get more money from me paying for a gig ticket than they do a CD right?
I get more varied&richer experience, band gets more money. money grabbing record label gets ...
When i was much more into it I just downloaded CDs and then I would go to see the band play, they get more money from me paying for a gig ticket than they do a CD right?
I get more varied&richer experience, band gets more money. money grabbing record label gets ...
I'd turn that round and say "why should they?" Why this idea of "I can't find it anywhere so it's my right to pirate it"?
Have some patience. Wait till it's legally available on DVDs or similar. Or import it when it's released over there. Or is that too much to ask? For some it clearly is.
Yes there's pressing, but then there's advertising, videoclips, paying the distributors, artists, producers....
Good God, there's more to releasing a CD than pressing the damn thing.
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indeed, altho lets face it cds aint really £16 nowadays, I wont pay £8 for an album cos i know most of the songs will be pants, not really a hardcore music fan now anydays really.
When i was much more into it I just downloaded CDs and then I would go to see the band play, they get more money from me paying for a gig ticket than they do a CD right?
I get more varied&richer experience, band gets more money. money grabbing record label gets ...
it depends what sort of music you're into and how difficult the CD is to find. I know it's not a great example of shrewd consumerism, but I paid £16 for Deftones - Around the Fur at a high street music retailer. In all honesty, I wouldn't have a problem with paying something like £3 for an album download because I only care about the music - I couldn't give 2 about the case!
I'm with you, though. If I see a band I like is touring and I've got the cash, I'd rather go and see them and buy a tshirt if they're good (unless they charge £25 for it - yes you, Jared Leto!!!) because they make more off ticket sales anyway.
The thing that really gets on my nerves is that I bet that a lot of the money you pay for a CD goes towards crap like making music videos. I HATE music videos - what is the point?!
All this "right of privacy" rubbish.
Why don't most of you just admit it.
You aren't fighting for your "right to privacy" you are fighting for your "right to pirate".
ISP's will not lose loads of customers over this.
Even if everyone who downloads illegal content was kicked from their ISP, there are only so many ISP's they can mvoe to and get kicked from.
Eventually they will run out of ISP's - at which point they will either have to settle down and not download illegal or face not having a single ISP that would actually offer them a connection.
Lets hope this one gets through.
The already busy Internet lines could be a lot quieter once a few people have been kicked off.
Why don't most of you just admit it.
You aren't fighting for your "right to privacy" you are fighting for your "right to pirate".
ISP's will not lose loads of customers over this.
Even if everyone who downloads illegal content was kicked from their ISP, there are only so many ISP's they can mvoe to and get kicked from.
Eventually they will run out of ISP's - at which point they will either have to settle down and not download illegal or face not having a single ISP that would actually offer them a connection.
Lets hope this one gets through.
The already busy Internet lines could be a lot quieter once a few people have been kicked off.
yes, it is too much to ask. There's no reason to not world-wide release things (logically, of course - I'm sure there's tonnes of red-tape to get through for international releases) so if people want to watch something that's been aired in a foreign country and it's available, I don't see why they shouldn't be allowed.
obviously, I was exaggerating. I didn't use a smiley, sorry :/Lysander said:
see my previous post on a plain download. I only care about the music, and I should be given that option. I don't care about the cover, videos, advertising and distributors are redundant for downloads. as it stands, I'm forced to buy a bunch of crap that just goes in a box once the CD's on my iPod. Lucky me for being a music fan.
yes, won't that be awesome when people taking a stand against the ridiculous price of digital media get kicked off the internet because of pressure from people who supply that media.
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Ermm that depends on what the sales are for a gig. If the promoter doesn't break even the band will get none of that cash, save for a small fee. It will go towards the promoter's costs.
Promotion. Pure and simple. It's not an unfair question since video sales are only 50% recoupable, so the label will at least make a 50% loss and hope to get the money back through other channels.
Here is a good link for you to glance though which will explain some of your queries
http://www.bemuso.com/musicdiy/cdcosts.html
If you want to support a band - BUY THEIR CDs. The label will invest more in the band if the CD sales do well. Not the merch. Not the tickets. If the CDs don't sell, they'll drop them.
To play devil's advocate why should people here have to wait?
The unfortunate thing is that those videos, adverts etc help spread the word for the band and [hopefully] get people to buy more CDs.
However, your post is very valid. This is now the attitude of most people and this is the problem the industry faces. Mounting production costs contrasted by people who want to pay as little as possible for digital downloads. It's so lopsided no wonder they're trying to find a way to stop the piracy. If everyone paid for their downloads - great! But the majority don't.
They shouldn't have to wait, but come the choice between pirating it or waiting, what gives them the right to pirate it? Self-made excuses. People are so impatient these days. If you're sitting in a restaurant and the table next to you gets served an hour before you're told your meal will arrive, what do you do, go over and eat theirs and not pay for your own?
So I guess I should be banned for downloading 28GB in the last 13 hours then, should I? I'm even using SSH so my ISP can't see what's being transferred. Of course, the fact that I'm actually moving my data from one server to another is of course completely irrelevant.
Anyway, while I have of course downloaded dodgy content (who, save those who just use the web for the 'odd bit of email', hasn't?), I happen to agree that there's no God-given right for people to download whatever they choose, and if an ISP wants to cut such people off, so be it.
However, the problem is it'll most likely hit the casual/occasional downloader hardest as the 'hardcore' types will know of ways around monitoring, and will most likely use them.