It looks like the 'real' /affordable RDNA3 + next gen NV desktop launch won't launch until September. Thoughts?

[g67575]

I'm not here to whine, I'm interested in whether or not cards like the 7800 XT are going to perform well or not (and the specs of cards that will be released soon also).

If they do price these cards too high, I'll just settle for a card that can do 1440p, like the RTX 3070 or RX 6700XT - used card prices are likely to keep coming down over time.

 

[SpudMaster]

You mean like the RX 6800, 6800XT, 6900XT and 6950XT

Exactly, all on Navi 21 die so no reason why 7900XT shouldnt have been an 7800XT over than AMD trying to save some face due to the price.

 

[SpudMaster]

I'm not here to whine, I'm interested in whether or not cards like the 7800 XT are going to perform well or not (and the specs of cards that will be released soon also).

If they do price these cards too high, I'll just settle for a card that can do 1440p, like the RTX 3070 or RX 6700XT - used card prices are likely to keep coming down over time.

They will be priced high, around £700 is my bet and offer 6950XT performance in the best case scenario

 

[g67575]

It makes bugger all difference what you call it, it's still the same product.

Just like the RTX 4080 12GB being renamed to 4070 TI. It doesn't matter to me.

 

[VincentHanna]

Now it beats the RTX 3090 in just about everything but RT.

Is this accurate? I know Nvidia released driver 522.25 in October which had big performance gains for Ampere and Turing GPU's

 

[BigBANGtheory]

I think terms like 'cheap' and 'affordable' have gone out the window for this entire generation, your only option for good value is to stick to 1440p gaming using last gen products or go console that's it.

What I think could change things (just an opinion) is the 4090 being so strong from a perf perspective is that being enough to tide people over the 2024 gen updates, so I see there being a market shift potentially around 2025 and value having to play a bigger part in the product stacks.

 

[g67575]

I'm thinking about just buying a used RX 6700 XT or similar (from CEX) and just upscaling games with Radeon Super Resolution with the in game resolution set to 1440p.

Some games support FSR2 as well, so there's a couple of options.

It sounds like RSR works well in pretty much all cases performance wise (and is easily configured), unlike FSR2 and DLSS2, which aren't always well optimised (e.g. I found that the Witcher 3 used a lot more VRAM with FSR or DLSS enabled at 1440p).

I suppose the benefit is limited though, for those without a 4K monitor.

 

[Darujhistan]

Well the 7900XT should have been the 7800XT resulting in an effective price bump this gen. I don't think the next tier of cards to release will be anything to rave about from a performance standpoint, unless maybe you're stuck on something like a Vega 64

Same with NV less card for money than last time round.

 

[Darujhistan]

It makes bugger all difference what you call it, it's still the same product.

Just like the RTX 4080 12GB being renamed to 4070 TI. It doesn't matter to me.

But it's not even a 4070ti though, naming does matter in so much as people believe they're getting card x when they actually getting a card further down the stack.

 

[g67575]

But it's not even a 4070ti though, naming does matter in so much as people believe they're getting card x when they actually getting a card further down the stack.

The performance is decent, it's the price that sucks. There's a whole other thread with people arguing this daily

 

[g67575]

I've decided to wait for the RX 6800 (used) to drop in price, as the 6700 XT doesn't quite cut the mustard in some games at 1440p:

And I'd like to be able to upscale with Radeon Super Resolution...

 

[Darujhistan]

The performance is decent, it's the price that sucks. There's a whole other thread with people arguing this daily

It's a cut down card sold as something it isn't. You also cannot seperate performance from price, and therefore the 4070ti (lol) is a terrible card.

 

[Martini1991]

I've decided to wait for the RX 6800 (used) to drop in price, as the 6700 XT doesn't quite cut the mustard in some games at 1440p:

And I'd like to be able to upscale with Radeon Super Resolution...

I don't really understand where the drop in price is going to come from.

I bought my 6800 2 years ago for £600 brand new.
Based on current pricing I think you'd be lucky to buy one for £450, if indeed people like me want to sell at all. If a 7800 is say £700 and only 20% better, well there isn't going to be many being sold to the likes of me lol.

 

[g67575]

Well, RX 6700 XTs are going for around £350, and are only a bit lower spec.

 

[varkanoid]

Is this accurate? I know Nvidia released driver 522.25 in October which had big performance gains for Ampere and Turing GPU's

I had 6900xt prior to the 3090 I have now and it was faster so I`m just going on what I have experienced and what is in the 6900xt Owners thread. Dont forget AMD also had a driver out last year which gave it massive gains. At one point the top 100 Timespy scores were all 6900/6950 XT's last year.

 

[g67575]

I think the performance in games like WH3 illustrates the problem with the graphics card market pretty well:



To play demanding games on high settings even at 1440p (1440p or upscaled to 4k) requires a gfx card that can reliably generate about twice as many frames per second as a Vega64 GPU. So, something like an Rx 6800 or RX 6800 XT (basically any card in the top 5 of this chart, out of 30 cards tested).

So we need new generations of GPUs, produced in much greater quantities to fill this gap in the market, and meet the demand.

It seems quite possible that an RTX 4070 would be able to handle 1440p in this title, if its simply a cut down version of it's less than popular sibling.

 

[Bill Turnip]

It seems quite possible that an RTX 4070 would be able to handle 1440p in this title, if its simply a cut down version of it's less than popular sibling.

Quite possibly... But almost certainly at a higher cost than a 6800. So why bother?

 

[g67575]

Quite possibly... But almost certainly at a higher cost than a 6800. So why bother?

I think it will perform similarly to a RTX 3080 (10GB) and be priced at a similar MSRP. and have 12GB VRAM.

The issue with pricing is that cards like the RX 6800 and XT are still expensive even used (availability was never good), so it's not like they will price the RTX 4070 below these cards (Which had MSRPs of £500-£590. The RTX 4060 TI is likely to be a more affordable card relatively.

 

[Bill Turnip]

I think it will perform similarly to a RTX 3080 (10GB) and be priced at a similar MSRP. and have 12GB VRAM.

Maybe, but I was comparing to the 6800. Which will probably have a lower MSRP, will perform similarly (RT excluded, admittedly) and have more vram.

Not seeing the 4070 value. Unless MSRP is much lower than expected.

 

[g67575]

I think we will see Navi32 cards roughly 1 month after the launch of the RTX 4070 (which I think will be in March), considering that AMD didn't release the 7900X and XTX until December 2022, about 1 month after the RTX 4080.

So probably a reactive launch strategy, not early /proactive. But competitive on price.