It looks like the 'real' /affordable RDNA3 + next gen NV desktop launch won't launch until September. Thoughts?

[g67575]

I found some interesting slides from AMD from when RDNA3 was launched:

A large increase (nearly double) the bandwidth of RDNA2, which itself had increased max bandwidth a lot with the 1st generation of infinity cache. This is really good, because even though they're lowered the amount of infinity cache for the Navi32 die GPUs (like the RX 7800 XT) to 64MB, the performance should still be the same, in comparison to models like the RX 6800 XT.

Also, Navi31 GPUs should all have higher peak memory bandwidth, compared to RDNA2 GPUs.

50% improvement in RT performance per Compute Unit. This is pretty good, but I remember predicting (and hoping for) a 100% improvement for RDNA3.

It just means you'd have to buy a GPU with a lot of compute units, to make up for only a modest improvement in RT vs RDNA2. The only problem with this, is that AMD has apparently already maxed out the Compute Unit count on Navi31, with the 7900 XTX (96 CUs).

Lets hope their implementation of frame generation allows some really high framerates on RT games...

 

[Darujhistan]

Why do people like you suck up to companies who want nothing but more and more of your money :s

Low self-esteem.

 

[g67575]

Low self-esteem.

Aren't there enough threads for you to whine and project negativity in?

 

[Darujhistan]

Aren't there enough threads for you to whine and project negativity in?

Struck a nerve there I think...

 

[g67575]

I'm looking at a website that lists their stock of all graphics cards.

An RTX 4080 (24GB) is priced over £1,200 and they have >300 in stock.

A similar factory overclocked card priced over £1300 has >200 in stock.

An RX 7900 XT is priced >£800 and has >90 in stock.

There doesn't seem to be a shortage of the latest top tier cards, at least with prices at this level.

Probably a good sign for upcoming mid tier cards.

 

[SpudMaster]

Yeah 4080s aren't selling. Neither aren 7900XT's and 4070TI's. I've not seen stock levels but if you check any retailer that sells them they appear to be sitting in warehouses

 

[g67575]

It's pretty much what you'd expect for the RTX 4080 in terms of sales, although they have more in stock than I expected.

No sign of the RTX 4090 though, maybe they thought no one would buy one (or, the amount they produce is quite low).

No stock for the RTX 3080/3090.

Still some for the RTX 3060, 3070 and TI variants.

No stock for the RX 6600, 6700, 6800, 6900 or XT variants.

 

[g67575]

RTX 4080 FEs just sitting there at £1,199 today.

Nvidia is probably thinking, guess we should release an RTX 4080 TI soon?

crank out some 10% better AD103 dies and crank up that MSRP

 

[Marine-RX179]

I'm looking at a website that lists their stock of all graphics cards.

An RTX 4080 (24GB) is priced over £1,200 and they have >300 in stock.

A similar factory overclocked card priced over £1300 has >200 in stock.

An RX 7900 XT is priced >£800 and has >90 in stock.

There doesn't seem to be a shortage of the latest top tier cards, at least with prices at this level.

Probably a good sign for upcoming mid tier cards.

Except it's not though...

Unless they are going to drop the pricing of these existing card, the lower-end card will still be poor value to what people are paying.

They would be more "affordable" yes, but the performance for what people are paying for is still poor and probably hardly any better than previous gen.

 

[g67575]

It really depends on what most customers have already.

Lots of people play at 1440p resolution. The majority of cards are still aimed at this resolution (even if sometimes marketed at 4K with upscaling techniques enabled)

A RX 6800 or RTX 3080 will handle virtually every game at this resolution.

4K cards are still very expensive, it's a huge leap up from 1440p.

An RTX 4090 can just about handle Warhammer III at 4K resolution, without framerate dips.

According to techpowerup, the RTX 4090 has around 2x the performance (209%) of a RX 6800 at 4K. It takes a lot.

Looking at the theoretical performance of the RTX 4090, on paper it's a very high performance GPU.

It's just that few can afford to buy one.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

The price/performance progression is out of whack this generation. I think we need for the full ranges from both companies to be released,and hopefully sales haven't been so hot and they will need to re-orientate the line-ups. For example the original RTX2000 launch was not great,but once the RX5700XT and RX5600XT came out,Nvidia re-orientated things with the RTX2000 Super range.

 

[g67575]

think we need for the full ranges from both companies to be released

Yes, definitely.

But I think we are at least a generation away from affordable 4K resolution performance in demanding titles.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Yes, definitely.

I looked at the performance uplift from GTX1070 to RTX2060 Super to RTX3060TI,and according to TPU it was nearly 40% each time:

https://tpucdn.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3060-ti-founders-edition/images/relative-performance_2560-1440.png

All of these dGPUs were around £350~£400 and that was with some noticeable variations in exchange rates too. So would expect at least a similar progression in the £350~£400 area for the next Nvidia or AMD dGPU in that price-range. That would place it around an RTX3080 looking at the TPU. Anything less,I would probably just wait TBH!

 

[Besty]

It's pretty much what you'd expect for the RTX 4080 in terms of sales, although they have more in stock than I expected.

No sign of the RTX 4090 though, maybe they thought no one would buy one (or, the amount they produce is quite low).

No stock for the RTX 3080/3090.

Still some for the RTX 3060, 3070 and TI variants.

No stock for the RX 6600, 6700, 6800, 6900 or XT variants.

When the Asus x080 Strix OC is not sold out, then there is a pricing problem.

 

[g67575]

If the RX 6800 XT price fell from ~£600 to £500, would any of you buy one at that price?

Personally, I think I could be tempted.

 

[Darujhistan]

If the RX 6800 XT price fell from ~£600 to £500, would any of you buy one at that price?

Personally, I think I could be tempted.

Needs to be £500 for me...

Even then meh...probably just wait until 7000 series is going EOL and buy something then which is roughly two years away, just as warranty on 6700XT expires.

From V64 6800XT makes more sense for you than it does for me.

 

[TrojanWhore]

If the RX 6800 XT price fell from ~£600 to £500, would any of you buy one at that price?

Personally, I think I could be tempted.

For a 16GB, 256 bit 6800XT, yes it would be tempting, but as Daru said I'm still not sure it'd be worth it for me from 3060ti and I'd probably try to hold out another year or 2

If it was £500 for a 77/800XT with 12GB or less and 128/192 bus and '6800xt level' performance, that'd be less compelling (except for presumably lower power usage!)

 

[Mercurial]

I was waiting for a deal to come up on a 6800XT for around the £500-550 around the Black Friday period from the reputable sites, it didn't come close unfortunately.

In the end opted for a OCUK Asrock RX6900XT, which in hindsight was still the right thing to do, if more than i'd planned.

 

[Darujhistan]

For a 16GB, 256 bit 6800XT, yes it would be tempting, but as Daru said I'm still not sure it'd be worth it for me from 3060ti and I'd probably try to hold out another year or 2

If it was £500 for a 77/800XT with 12GB or less and 128/192 bus and '6800xt level' performance, that'd be less compelling (except for presumably lower power usage!)

I think it's 7900XT (or NV equivalent) for me in a couple of years, i'm not buying another 12GB 192 bit bus card. Hopefully I can get something for £500. 6700xt/3060ti is going toi be just fine at 1440p for another couple of years at least.

 

[g67575]

Angstronomics says that Navi32 uses a 256 bit memory bus. Infinity cache performance should be very similar to the RX 6800 XT.

They've also significantly increased the compute power (FP32 /float), per Compute Unit.

AMD is reusing the same MCDs (from Navi31) for Navi32. I'd guess this means they will wait until the production of Navi31 dies is healthy, before releasing Navi32. But, on the plus side, it should be some fairly high clocked GDDR6 memory.