It looks like the 'real' /affordable RDNA3 + next gen NV desktop launch won't launch until September. Thoughts?

Joxeon · 23 May 2023 at 12:58

humbug said:
Intel launched that card at £450 ffs.... it was as' if not more expensive at the time than an RTX 3060Ti and slower than a £300 RX 6600XT.

Its was that until about 2 months ago... Intel are not the great saviour, very obviously not, we are cheering on someone who is worse than Nvidia and treating the only people who have tried to be different as an inconvenient thorn in the side to an agenda. WTF is wrong with us????

The launch msrps were $329 for the 8gb and $349 for the 16gb.

g67575 · 23 May 2023 at 12:59

Joxeon said:
Only because it’s pretty much out of stock everywhere currently but was £330 a couple of weeks ago, regardless the 8gb version is easily available at £280 and packs double the die size, bus and requires a more complex PCB than a 7600 due to this and the higher TDP.

Most people will just be buying the RX 6700 XT instead, even if you get a could get a good price on the Arc 16GB version.

Also, cards like the RX 6750 XT are around 20% faster than the Arc according to techpowerup, and can be bought for ~£340 at the moment.

One thing to note about the top Arc GPUs - The transistor density on 6nm isn't very good at 53.4M / mm². But there's the possibility of doubling this (or more) with a better fab process. The RX 7900 XTX has a transistor density of 109.1M / mm² on TSMC 5nm, so I'm sure Intel could surpass this on a denser fab process, like 3nm.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 23 May 2023 at 13:29

Joxeon said:
The launch msrps were $329 for the 8gb and $349 for the 16gb.

AMD has to priced this around $250 at most. If not failure!

PeegeeTips · 23 May 2023 at 13:33

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
AMD has to priced this around $250 at most. If not failure!

$269:

AMD Radeon RX 7600 to launch with $269/€299 MSRP - VideoCardz.com

Radeon RX 7600 to launch at $269 AMD notifies the press about a last-minute price change. The company has now provided a new MSRP for its upcoming Radeon RX 7600 graphics cards. This is information was shared with the press and influencers yesterday, and we have confirmed it with several of...

videocardz.com

Murphy · 23 May 2023 at 13:33

g67575 said:
One thing to note about the top Arc GPUs - The transistor density on 6nm isn't very good at 53.4M / mm². But there's the possibility of doubling this (or more) with a better fab process. The RX 7900 XTX has a transistor density of 109.1M / mm² on TSMC 5nm, so I'm sure Intel could surpass this on a denser fab process, like 3nm.

The problem Intel has with density is they're relatively new to the fabrication of dedicated GPU game so their probably getting lower density because they don't have the experience of how tightly packed things can be before things cause problems.

While a reduction in node size will help they'd probably gain more from simply understanding what parts of the die can coexist closer to each other.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 23 May 2023 at 14:01

PeegeeTips said:
$269:

AMD Radeon RX 7600 to launch with $269/€299 MSRP - VideoCardz.com

Radeon RX 7600 to launch at $269 AMD notifies the press about a last-minute price change. The company has now provided a new MSRP for its upcoming Radeon RX 7600 graphics cards. This is information was shared with the press and influencers yesterday, and we have confirmed it with several of...

videocardz.com

$30 less than an RTX4060. AMD is feeling brave!

Raelgun · 23 May 2023 at 14:04

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
$30 less than an RTX4060. AMD is feeling brave!

Both are £100 too expensive regardless

g67575 · 23 May 2023 at 14:29

The RTX 4060 TI isn't great is it? The RTX 3060 TI gets higher 1% lows in some games:

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4060 Ti Founders Edition Review

NVIDIA's GeForce RTX 4060 Ti launches today. The green team's new $400 card offers plenty of performance for even the most demanding titles at Full HD and beyond. Our review confirms that thanks to the amazing energy efficiency of the AD106 GPU, the Founders Edition runs cool and quiet at all times.

www.techpowerup.com

Generally a little slower than a RTX 3070.

humbug · 23 May 2023 at 14:50

Joxeon said:
The launch msrps were $329 for the 8gb and $349 for the 16gb.

£450 at the time, i don't who or how that happened, but MSRP is not always the sales price.

To give you an example, always in all of Intel's CPU launch gumph they cite a price, what they don't say, unless you read the fine print, which is usually a URL for external fine print, is the fact that this is the price the retailer pays per 1000 unit bulk.

Ross Thomson · 23 May 2023 at 15:38

makes you wonder how bad the 7600 is going to be

humbug · 23 May 2023 at 15:44

g67575 said:
The RTX 4060 TI isn't great is it? The RTX 3060 TI gets higher 1% lows in some games:

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4060 Ti Founders Edition Review

NVIDIA's GeForce RTX 4060 Ti launches today. The green team's new $400 card offers plenty of performance for even the most demanding titles at Full HD and beyond. Our review confirms that thanks to the amazing energy efficiency of the AD106 GPU, the Founders Edition runs cool and quiet at all times.

www.techpowerup.com

Generally a little slower than a RTX 3070.

And the same $500 for the 16GB one, $15, at most memory cost to Nvidia, $100 more to you and me, $85 extra $ if you buy the only one you can realistically live with unless you're an ESports gamer.

Its slower than the $500 card its replaced, let that sink in people. that's where we are at.

JediFragger · 23 May 2023 at 15:56

Ross Thomson said:
makes you wonder how bad the 7600 is going to be

6700 non-XT perf expected...

g67575 · 23 May 2023 at 16:57

Yes, RX 6700 performance seems like a good bet.

These cards are going for ~£290 now, so the RX 7600 will need to be priced at this level, or a little below.

Simply replacing the RX 6600 XT at ~£250 would make the most sense.

g67575 · 23 May 2023 at 17:02

I'm thinking that AMD will want to launch FSR3 alongside Navi32 cards, which are likely to sell well (as navi 22 did):

AMD FSR 3 Might Generate Up To 4 Interpolated Frames & Be Enabled On Driver-Side

AMD FSR 3 will be featuring frame generation technology, allowing it to generate up to 4 interpolated frames for each real frame.

wccftech.com

The potential of it being implemented at the driver level is interesting.

Murphy · 23 May 2023 at 17:22

Never know, maybe AMD will look at how well the 4060 Ti has been received and think Ooff, we need to make a last minute price adjustment.

gpuerrilla · 23 May 2023 at 17:31

Maybe even a 5600XT stunt..

humbug · 23 May 2023 at 17:44

g67575 said:
Yes, RX 6700 performance seems like a good bet.

These cards are going for ~£290 now, so the RX 7600 will need to be priced at this level, or a little below.

Simply replacing the RX 6600 XT at ~£250 would make the most sense.

I just can't see the 7600 being any better than the $300 4060 which means its a $250 card, its got to be if AMD want to sell them in any numbers.

Ross Thomson · 23 May 2023 at 18:01

humbug said:
I just can't see the 7600 being any better than the $300 4060 which means its a $250 card, its got to be if AMD want to sell them in any numbers.

at most I recon it will be slightly better than the 6650 XT

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 23 May 2023 at 18:19

I will get some GIFs ready for the RX7600 launch!

gpuerrilla · 23 May 2023 at 18:20

Be careful mate.