Italian Grand Prix 2013, Monza - Race 12/19

[drunkenmaster]

Funniest thing is, he is such a nice guy.

He seems to be able to have a laugh with Hamilton after races, they joke about overtakes. He was talking/joking about his tow out of the first corner in the background in the, I don't know what it's called, their green room almost where they get ready to go on the podium. But that is usually incidental stuff caught on camera not really supposed to be broadcast. A lot of what they actually broadcast is the ruddy finger, the daft celebrations on radio(almost all drivers sound daft screaming on radio) and not great interviews.

Mostly as Tom said, it's 99% that people don't like what is essentially no competition. Car is too good, if Hamilton, Alonso, Kimi, Button were there, people would react to them the same way to those guys instead.

The general trouble with F1 is, how do you have huge innovation but also make sure the cars are as close as possible for competition.... the answer is you often can't.

 

[Emlyn_Dewar]

Poor Di Resta.
Force India's aren't looking too great this weekend?

 

[deuse]

McLaren are eating their front tires! can't see rbs not winning here

 

[Duke]

Qually practice runs incoming

 

[Skeeter]

Has anyone else other than Ferrari practiced towing?

 

[Duke]

Nope. They've tried it in practice a good 3-4 seasons now.

 

[drunkenmaster]

I didn't see if they tried it, did Massa tow Alonso for his fastest P3 lap or was that time without tow?

 

[el_dazza]

Funniest thing is, he is such a nice guy.

It's pointless trying to justify anything to most people on here, everyone dislikes the best at anything in the world of sport. People used to despise Man United when they won countless times, then Chelsea came along and won and everyone hated them. People hated Schumacher winning all the time in the early 2000s. Almost everyone was on Van Gerwen's side at the PDC darts final this year against Taylor because Taylor's won 16 world titles and it looked for all the world a changing of the guard was coming. A lot of people dislike the Aussie cricket team because they more often than not would spank us (didnt help thst they acted like bells too mind you).

Exceptions to this would be O'sullivan's comeback and trouncing of the field at this year's world snooker championship, everyone LOVED his return and his outrageously good play. Tennis is quite friendly in that respect too, but there are usually 4 guys changing titles between them.

It's the whole underdog thing ultimately. Someone becomes a favourite to win which gets tedious (as Skeeter said in the Spa thread) and it turns into blind dislike/hate for that person, which ultimately it isn't their fault that they're so damn good at what they do and there's a big dollop of jealousy added to the mix. Sport's a competitive environment and i don't think you'll find many sports fans as passionate as those who love F1. The cheering when Vettel retired at Silverstone was a poor show imo, i don't think it'd be a great feeling when 100,000+ are happy you've lost, particularly through no fault of your own.

We're all guilty of this in some respect

 

[Sliver]

I think Mercedes may be sandbagging. I'm going out on a limb and predicting another Lewis pole.

*Disclaimer : I may not return to this thread*

 

[Glaucus]

Oh yeah rain forecast tomorrow.

How many times as merc been off te pace in practice, then get pole. A I wouldn't read anything into it yet.

 

[deuse]

I think Mercedes may be sandbagging. I'm going out on a limb and predicting another Lewis pole.

*Disclaimer : I may not return to this thread*

I don't think Lewis will get pole today his brakes are still not good enough. Merc need to buy the rights off McLaren to use their brakes.

 

[drunkenmaster]

I don't get why you'd say that, while its a higher speed track and braking harder, its braking far less often. He's locked up a few times, he did at Mclaren before as well, you can't find the perfect place to brake into a corner without going past the limit and dialing it in, there is a reason some of the guys who do the fastest laps lock up loads in practice... because they are finding the limit. Hamilton is closer in p3 than he usually is. Vettel seems to like to do a awesome lap in p3 to really dial it in then hold off and repeat it in Q3. Hamilton holds something back and then blows people away in Q3, no reason to believe he wouldn't do the same or can't.

The brakes are different, people ask him what the difference is with his new car, he says the brakes, that doesn't mean they suck, just different. Just because you prefer one type of thing doesn't mean you can't use another type of thing equally well. If his brakes weren't good enough he wouldn't have

Again at Spa Hamilton was 1.4seconds down in P2, 0.8 down in P3. This week its 0.6/0.3 or so for the same sessions............ Merc appear much closer this weekend than the last race, and he still got pole last race.

 

[deuse]

The brakes are different, people ask him what the difference is with his new car, he says the brakes, that doesn't mean they suck, just different. Just because you prefer one type of thing doesn't mean you can't use another type of thing equally well. If his brakes weren't good enough he wouldn't have.

The brakes he used at McLaren are only used by McLaren and no other team and merc can't buy them
if they could then we would see Lewis braking late like he loves to do.

 

[smr]

Vet has pole in the bag...

 

[deuse]

That doesn't stop the cars themselves being the pinnacle of engineering, magnificent machines from a huge team effort. F1 may have fewer competitive teams in now but it's still very much the peak of motor sport and rightly earns its place on the pedestal.

All that comes down to money and who has it, yes F1 is the pinnacle of motor sport for money
same as Nascar are faster than F1 cars, Le mans cars are the pinnacle of their sport.

F1 used to have the fastest cars and drivers in any motor sport now not so. On sunday after 6 laps we will hear "look after your tires"

 

[Irish_Tom]

Funniest thing is, he is such a nice guy.

I'm sure he is, it's nothing against him as a person.

Snip.

To answer both points in one go:

Sport is about competiton. The entertainment of watching sport lies in the expectation and excitement from not knowing the outcome of that competiton.

If there's no competiton then it becomes predictable and boring. The longer this goes on for, the less entertaining it becomes for everyone except those that follow the team/person that is winning.

It's not about hatred or jealousy and it's certainly not personal.

Tennis is currently interesting because there's four guys at the top of the sport who all have the potential to win on any given day, a couple of others below them that have the potential to cause an upset and in recent years these guys have been trading Grand Slams amongst themselves.

At the moment in F1 there are four top guys who have the potential to win on any given day but for the last three years (soon to be four) only one of them has.

It's predictable, even inevitable and this isn't entertaining.

 

[Sparky]

All that comes down to money and who has it, yes F1 is the pinnacle of motor sport for money
same as Nascar are faster than F1 cars, Le mans cars are the pinnacle of their sport.

F1 used to have the fastest cars and drivers in any motor sport now not so. On sunday after 6 laps we will hear "look after your tires"

Nascar are faster as they dont have to negotiate a variety of bends, they are mainly set up for straight line speed on banked circuits. Would like to see how quickly a Nascar could lap Silverstone. Would be quite interesting comparison, there must be a video of this somewhere out there?

 

[leaskovski]

As a F1 tech boy, you surely must have heard of Watkins Glen? Thats not just a straight line now is it.

 

[Glaucus]

Bernie interviews are horrible.