Italian Grand Prix 2014, Monza - Race 13/19
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Not the most exciting race, but my did it have some incredible moments.
Unfortunately missed the first 20 laps as was busing back through Dubai then had to power walk to the pub
Cracking driving by Rosberg there, but he really shouldn't be gifting Lewis 1st place as he needs all the points he can get.
DR looked seriously impressive today with his inch perfect driving and incredibly quick reactions whilst moving around to overtake people.
Unfortunately missed the first 20 laps as was busing back through Dubai then had to power walk to the pub
Cracking driving by Rosberg there, but he really shouldn't be gifting Lewis 1st place as he needs all the points he can get.
DR looked seriously impressive today with his inch perfect driving and incredibly quick reactions whilst moving around to overtake people.
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I've got to wonder what you want from a race if you think think this one deserves the tagline "not the most exciting race"?
not that dis-similar to today really (as third car wouldn't collect points at all, so wouldn't appear on the podium I would guess)
Would be confusing for tv viewers though - well yes he is in third but wont score any points this season so its actually Ferrari that's third...... would be a disaster for commentary etc
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I hope that's sarcasm?!
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Of course it is, it has to be, there's no possible way anyone would be serious in saying such a thing
cant see McLaren EVER going for two drivers with a year or less experience
If there were 3 drivers they could just do the constructors based on the average.
With 2 drivers as it is currently an average ranking is the same as adding 2 drivers' points up.
That would also mean they can't just use the third driver as a test driver for random things as their position would matter.
With 2 drivers as it is currently an average ranking is the same as adding 2 drivers' points up.
That would also mean they can't just use the third driver as a test driver for random things as their position would matter.
They would do it like WRC has previously done. Drivers compete and score points individually, but before the season starts they nominate which 2 score constructors points.
So nobody would 'vanish' from the results and the WDC would be unchanged, its just the WCC (which defines the prize money) would be affected.
So nobody would 'vanish' from the results and the WDC would be unchanged, its just the WCC (which defines the prize money) would be affected.
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Of course it is, it has to be, there's no possible way anyone would be serious in saying such a thing
You never know! This is OcUK!
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Just caught up watching this race. Hamilton showing Rosberg why he is boss. Great driving from bottas too. Good race.
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Just watched the race, yay Hamilton, screw you Rosberg 
Very good driving from Ricciardo and well saved from Kvyat to not end up in the barrier
Very good driving from Ricciardo and well saved from Kvyat to not end up in the barrier
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Seriously, this wasn't even a pole to finish making it difficult for Rosberg race, Hamilton/the car screwed up the start, Rosberg was 1st with 2 cars between them... still loses, and frankly Hamilton when he wanted to just caught him at a rate that Rosberg wasn't close to being able to match. But for bad luck or cheating Hamilton would have won all but maybe 1-2 races, if that. He was doing the same in Montreal just showing a pace that Rosberg wasn't capable of. Short of Hamilton's car being damaged Rosberg never looks faster. I still maintain that Rosberg sets up for qualifying and has less race pace as a result, Hamilton manages to qualify with awesome speed but is set up for the race more, which is why Rosberg is more competitive with him in qualifying(although what 3 of Rosberg's poles have been due to Hamilton failures or well, cheating). Then every real wheel to wheel battle Hamilton has won.
If things deteriorate and they get rid of one driver, they'd be mad to keep Rosberg. Not only would getting rid of Hamilton weaken the team significantly, they'd be strengthening a direct rival.
If RBR were closer next year, to be honest I think Riccy seems good enough that with a more competitive car he'd have a good shout, but put Hamilton in that car and again he'd make it easier for Red bull to beat Merc.
Merc should let Rosberg be a cheating team upsetting turd with Vettel, bring in Riccy, have a better team and get the germans fighting with each other, awesome
If things deteriorate and they get rid of one driver, they'd be mad to keep Rosberg. Not only would getting rid of Hamilton weaken the team significantly, they'd be strengthening a direct rival.
If RBR were closer next year, to be honest I think Riccy seems good enough that with a more competitive car he'd have a good shout, but put Hamilton in that car and again he'd make it easier for Red bull to beat Merc.
Merc should let Rosberg be a cheating team upsetting turd with Vettel, bring in Riccy, have a better team and get the germans fighting with each other, awesome
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Seriously, this wasn't even a pole to finish making it difficult for Rosberg race, Hamilton/the car screwed up the start, Rosberg was 1st with 2 cars between them... still loses.
If things deteriorate and they get rid of one driver, they'd be mad to keep Rosberg. Not only would getting rid of Hamilton weaken the team significantly, they'd be strengthening a direct rival.
If RBR were closer next year, to be honest I think Riccy seems good enough that with a more competitive car he'd have a good shout, but put Hamilton in that car and again he'd make it easier for Red bull to beat Merc.
Merc should let Rosberg be a cheating team upsetting turd with Vettel, bring in Riccy, have a better team and get the germans fighting with each other, awesome
This makes complete sense
Of course 'getting rid of Rosberg' isn't so easy. Hamilton was Brawn's boy and now that he's gone they will feel they need to have at least one German in the team. At the moment that means Rosberg or Vettel. Possibly Hulkenberg I guess but as always seems to be the way he will probably miss out again. Simply put if anyone goes I'd expect it to be Hamilton. Even though it would weaken the team as you state. having said that, if they do get rid of Hamilton then they could go for Hulkenberg and have an all German team. Deutschland Deutschland Uber alles!
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Hamilton is worth a lot more than the German tie in. The car is the car, that is all that matters. They need to sell Mercedes cars in Dubai and the USA, China, not just Germany. In fact Germany is likely a small market for them. It's not like the german GP was the best supported of the season and Hamilton has more support worldwide at races. I don't know why they people think having a german is important.
In fact, an all German team with a potentially all german line up really doesn't do anything. These companies aren't about a single market, it's about mass appeal, worldwide appeal. Hell a german car, german sponsor and two german drivers might play great in Germany, but could be negative in terms of worldwide sponsorship/appeal. It's not exactly like if they have no german driver people will forget Mercedes is a german brand.
If it was Schumacher, with the world wide fan base he had, with say 3+ years of driving left, then maybe. But Rosberg, a guy being pretty easily beaten, who is clearly the slower driver who doesn't hold a lot of German or worldwide appeal?
I was mostly pointing out that the automatic idea of getting rid of Hamilton over Rosberg is silly, not that it is truly likely they would get rid of one of them.
However, it's not a rare occurrence for a driver to move on or be moved on when the team isn't getting along. It's certainly well within the realms of possibilities.
We'll have to see how the season goes on, think of it this way, if Rosberg sees the title slipping away, Hamilton likely to stay and his chance of winning a title in the next few years all but disappear.... what exactly does he have to lose by knocking Hamilton off again. Maybe he wins a title, maybe Merc get rid of him....... but then he gets to be the champion, he gets to win and he'd get champion type wages at his next team. What exactly does he have to lose, being the second best driver at the best team for multiple years over sneaking one title and basically being fired? That is one more title than just being beaten by Hamilton.
Of course Hamilton might have crappy luck and lose every race from now. But if it gets tight, and Rosberg has the chance to nick the title, who knows how he'll react. He's already reacted badly on multiple occasions as he sees the title slip away from him and as he gets beaten race after race unless Hamilton.
Rosberg also got a pretty public spanking, who knows how he'll react to that, be as good as gold or will he react under pressure again closer to the end of the season. Certainly will be interesting to see what happens. Might even be disappointed if there is no more drama
In fact, an all German team with a potentially all german line up really doesn't do anything. These companies aren't about a single market, it's about mass appeal, worldwide appeal. Hell a german car, german sponsor and two german drivers might play great in Germany, but could be negative in terms of worldwide sponsorship/appeal. It's not exactly like if they have no german driver people will forget Mercedes is a german brand.
If it was Schumacher, with the world wide fan base he had, with say 3+ years of driving left, then maybe. But Rosberg, a guy being pretty easily beaten, who is clearly the slower driver who doesn't hold a lot of German or worldwide appeal?
I was mostly pointing out that the automatic idea of getting rid of Hamilton over Rosberg is silly, not that it is truly likely they would get rid of one of them.
However, it's not a rare occurrence for a driver to move on or be moved on when the team isn't getting along. It's certainly well within the realms of possibilities.
We'll have to see how the season goes on, think of it this way, if Rosberg sees the title slipping away, Hamilton likely to stay and his chance of winning a title in the next few years all but disappear.... what exactly does he have to lose by knocking Hamilton off again. Maybe he wins a title, maybe Merc get rid of him....... but then he gets to be the champion, he gets to win and he'd get champion type wages at his next team. What exactly does he have to lose, being the second best driver at the best team for multiple years over sneaking one title and basically being fired? That is one more title than just being beaten by Hamilton.
Of course Hamilton might have crappy luck and lose every race from now. But if it gets tight, and Rosberg has the chance to nick the title, who knows how he'll react. He's already reacted badly on multiple occasions as he sees the title slip away from him and as he gets beaten race after race unless Hamilton.
Rosberg also got a pretty public spanking, who knows how he'll react to that, be as good as gold or will he react under pressure again closer to the end of the season. Certainly will be interesting to see what happens. Might even be disappointed if there is no more drama
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