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Hamilton .8 secs quicker maybe he's stopped sharing data with Rosberg
Nah, it's just Rosbergs mechanics don't sabotage Hamilton's car until qualifying.
Italian Grand Prix 2014, Monza - Race 13/19
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Nah, it's just Rosbergs mechanics don't sabotage Hamilton's car until qualifying.
Haha!
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Vettel doesn't have the EBD which he utterly mastered - that was his era. He can't mash the throttle like he did better than anyone, and now the opposite is true he's struggling to adapt.
I also question whether his ultimate ruthless will to win is the same too, as in the winter, the moment the Red Bull broke down (which was obviously frequently), he immediately flew back to Germany to be with his family and newborn baby. If his family is now dearer to him than before I can't judge him for it, but at the very least he has extra priorities.
Ricciardo is obviously damn quick but I honestly believe that if he'd joined Red Bull for 2013 he'd have been well and truly beaten.
Hamilton .8 secs quicker maybe he's stopped sharing data with Rosberg
The drivers have had it battered into them this week that it's about Mercedes and not each individual driver, so I imagine data is never hidden or it kinda defeats what Mercedes claim they want.
If they found an advantage that works for them the only hope is not to show your hand early.
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It's amazing to think someone continues to pay a not insignificant amount of money for him to continue in F1...
Can be said for quite a few drivers. But to be beaten by test/reserve drivers who have never driven the car before 2 weekends in a row is particularly pathetic.
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Yep definitely, sad state of affairs.
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So I turned on midsession and mid conversation, was it Hamilton's car that is failing to start?
He had a moment where in the first session they were going to send him out but it didn't start, they got it going a few minutes later though and he set the fastest time. But this session he's been out for the whole thing I take it?
He had a moment where in the first session they were going to send him out but it didn't start, they got it going a few minutes later though and he set the fastest time. But this session he's been out for the whole thing I take it?
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That is the case. Not had a run yet and they seem to be investigating it still.
Yep, can't get it to 'fire'.
Still, better to have problems in FP2 than quail or the race.
His time from FP1 is still faster than Rosberg's time in FP2.
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he hasnt been out this session as far as i'm aware, car is in bits at the moment, lewis is just chilling in the garage.
Looks like they are getting this one in early.
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Cheers fellas, I suspect it was him they were talking about but thought it might be Riccy. I just heard them mention they got his engine working fine(ish) after FP1(Riccy that is). I think they said RBR were planning to change the engine after FP2 anyway so this just means they save a session on the new engine(or new parts of it).
Is there anywhere that keeps an updated list on the parts the guys have used. They occasionally show this table where you know driver 1 has used 4 of that part 3 of that, 5 of another, etc. I haven't really spotted anywhere keeping a running track of them online.
Although it's not entirely indicative as obviously they manage to get seemingly broken parts working again.
The engine Hamilton is using I think they said was the one that burned up the in qualifying. Wonder if they are just using that for practice and wouldn't trust it in a race. Maybe this starting issue is something to do with damage to that engine.
Seems like RBR will likely take some penalties this season for engine parts, Vettel more likely that Riccy maybe. Lotus.... more penalties than most? I think there would certainly be a higher chance of Hamilton getting a penalty than Rosberg as things stand.
Never know, could end up that everyone takes an engine in the final race and the penalty is effectively cancelled out,
Is there anywhere that keeps an updated list on the parts the guys have used. They occasionally show this table where you know driver 1 has used 4 of that part 3 of that, 5 of another, etc. I haven't really spotted anywhere keeping a running track of them online.
Although it's not entirely indicative as obviously they manage to get seemingly broken parts working again.
The engine Hamilton is using I think they said was the one that burned up the in qualifying. Wonder if they are just using that for practice and wouldn't trust it in a race. Maybe this starting issue is something to do with damage to that engine.
Seems like RBR will likely take some penalties this season for engine parts, Vettel more likely that Riccy maybe. Lotus.... more penalties than most? I think there would certainly be a higher chance of Hamilton getting a penalty than Rosberg as things stand.
Never know, could end up that everyone takes an engine in the final race and the penalty is effectively cancelled out,
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Apparently Merc have said that they may change their driver line up for 2015 if their drivers can't get on as teammates... Vettel to Merc, Alonso to RBR, Hamilton to Ferrari anyone? Let the games commence 
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Lewis in the car with helmet on!
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I was listening to the interview on 5 live last night, sounded to me like a very last option threat that if things deteriorate to the point where they cant work together then they would have to consider one driver leaving.Apparently Merc have said that they may change their driver line up for 2015 if their drivers can't get on as teammates... Vettel to Merc, Alonso to RBR, Hamilton to Ferrari anyone? Let the games commence
which to me sounds like if you cant play nice lewis wont get a contract renewal after 2015.
I cant see them willing drop either driver for 2015.
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Apparently Merc have said that they may change their driver line up for 2015 if their drivers can't get on as teammates... Vettel to Merc, Alonso to RBR, Hamilton to Ferrari anyone? Let the games commence
They both have a contract through to the end of 2016, so it would require someone buying out either driver. If I was Merc I'd be getting rid of Rosberg, all, and I mean all the trouble has been caused by Rosberg this year. He's apparently not particularly popular with german fans or others, he's kind of seen as a spoilt little rich kid. Hamilton is the better driver and has a lot more fans. He's paid a lot more as well.
They could just go with whoever wins, but, it's a weird thing.
As always I don't much care about titles, I care about racing. Hamilton would be exciting to watch in midfield or upfront. Rosberg would have less trouble with almost any other driver alongside him, in terms of less competition. He's a good qualifier but race pace... meh. That was the same against Schumacher.
If Hamilton wins this title despite every single disadvantage including his team mate cheating(repeatedly). Given a clean season Hamilton would have a very comfortable lead on Rosberg.
Another thing to think about, lets say Merc are the best car next year but by a fraction of the gap they have this year and put Hamilton in a Red Bull. Hamilton in a red bull with a car close to Merc would give Merc a harder time, than if Rosberg was in a fractionally slower Red Bull and Hamilton was in the Merc.
If they did ask hamilton to move on, Red Bull should jump all over him and shove Vettel out. Vettel would probably get beaten by Rosberg as well which would be hilarious and Riccy and Hamilton in slightly slower cars could likely both beat him.
Moving to the right car for the next season is as much luck as anything else. I think Hamilton had an advantage with the Merc move, knowing what Mclaren's plan was and already not trusting their tactical decisions. I don't think he knew Merc was going to dominate, he just thought Mclaren would get worse and even if they had a great car they'd screw it up.
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I was under the impression that hamiltons contract runs to the end of 2015?