Italian Grand Prix 2014, Monza - Race 13/19

Oh I feel so sorry for you, bahhhaahhhaaa.
Brilliant :).
The cars that suited you are no longer their, time to man up and learn the new cars, or be a no2.

The reigning world champion team Red Bull, albeit amid less headline-grabbing controversy, is undergoing a major change of direction.

Daniel Ricciardo has requested number 1 status for the rest of his 2014 title campaign against the dominant but warring Mercedes pairing, which at the moment boss Christian Horner is unwilling to cede.


“It seems that Spanish television sometimes has more faith in me than my own team does.”

– Sebastian Vettel
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The main problem with the Rosberg conspiracy is that, does anyone genuinely believe that he would have moved over for Lewis? I mean seriously? He is in the lead of an extremely close run battle for the championship. Even if the team had told him he had to let lewis win, do you think he would? No, he wouldn't , just like Lewis didn't. Rosberg will not care about the repercussions (again just like Lewis didnt) as he knows full well the team need him. What can the team realistically do if he doesn't listen to team orders to let Lewis through? Fine him?...give over. These guys are all multi millionaires, and at this point the only thing Rosberg and Lewis care about is winning that title.

The team aren't going to stop him racing or anything like that as the team simply wont throw away points like that.
 
Mr Jack said:
James Allen has a pretty comprehensive demolition of the "theory" posted.
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It's just more PR. we let our drivers race so we won't ask them to swap position bla bla.

Nico said it himself:

Rosberg himself has debunked any such theory saying, “What would be the reason for me to do something like that deliberately? There is no possible reason. If you’re ordered by the team to do it then you would do it, but there is no reason why the team would ask me to change position, or something like that.
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The reason is that Lewis was MUCH faster and would have passed him anyway, Mercedes did not want to risk a collision with Rosberg desperately defending position, a 1-2 finish was priority and without any collisions Hamilton would have come out on top anyway, why even risk a collision? The way it happened a possible collision is taken out of the equation, Mercedes get the 1-2 they wanted and don't get bashed for all eternity for implementing team orders, Nico doesn't get bashed for being overtaken by Lewis in normal racing and Lewis wins the race he was going to win anyway.
 
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They were pretty quick with the sensoring on that too. It was broadcast within a minute or so of him saying it, with the beep added.

Shame the FIA stewards aren't as fast acting as the FOM editors :rolleyes:
 
majnu said:
Kiss goodbye to engineers giving advice over the radio.
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You really think this'll stop teams giving their drivers advice?
The rule is so ambiguous, a radio man can practically tell his driver how to drive the car and still explain it away, to the FIA/Stewards. You'd have to be a complete idiot to get penalised for giving advice to a driver.

As long as the radio man doesn't say, "Right driver. I am going to give you advice which is a direct contravention of the rules: ...", I can't see how the authorities can penalise the driver. Perhaps a friendly warning...followed by a "sure boss...it won't happen again ;)" is more likely.

Next year though, if the FIA deem it necessary, they may write a more strictly defined set of rules regarding radio advice, which would close any loop-holes.
 
Did anyone see the translation of Rosberg talking to Evan Short and Massa in Italian in the room before the podium:

Rosberg: “****, he has been so lucky. How did it ******* happen?”
Short: “You need luck in life.”
Rosberg: “Damn it, really.”
Short: “You will have it too [regarding the luck].”
Rosberg: “No, I already had my dose of luck. However…”
Short: “The Tifosi will be out there. It was a difficult race [for them].”
Rosberg: “I didn’t expect so much margin.”
Massa: “Me neither.”
Massa: “When I saw you was flying away, I tried to save the situation.”
Rosberg: “****, a great advantage.”

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2014/09/12/f1-fanatic-round-up-1209-2/

It certainly doesn't sound like he gave the position on purpose there!
 
Seriously, "he's been so lucky"... seriously?

At least he recognised he had some luck previously but why is he saying Hamilton is lucky because he's destroying him in pace. Hamilton was the one lacking luck in the race, he got a electronic issue that gave Rosberg a HUGE advantage, that is him being lucky not Hamilton. Rosberg's mistakes were just that, his mistakes, not bad luck.
 
drunkenmaster said:
Seriously, "he's been so lucky"... seriously?

At least he recognised he had some luck previously but why is he saying Hamilton is lucky because he's destroying him in pace. Hamilton was the one lacking luck in the race, he got a electronic issue that gave Rosberg a HUGE advantage, that is him being lucky not Hamilton. Rosberg's mistakes were just that, his mistakes, not bad luck.
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He is a ****
 
sunama said:
You really think this'll stop teams giving their drivers advice?
The rule is so ambiguous, a radio man can practically tell his driver how to drive the car and still explain it away, to the FIA/Stewards. You'd have to be a complete idiot to get penalised for giving advice to a driver.

As long as the radio man doesn't say, "Right driver. I am going to give you advice which is a direct contravention of the rules: ...", I can't see how the authorities can penalise the driver. Perhaps a friendly warning...followed by a "sure boss...it won't happen again ;)" is more likely.

Next year though, if the FIA deem it necessary, they may write a more strictly defined set of rules regarding radio advice, which would close any loop-holes.
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I can see the FIAs reasoning by wanting driver focus but F1 is much more advanced that telemetry and relaying fuel management strategies for example is vital. Nevertheless hearing the radio communication messages whilst watching f1 brings another dimension to the sport. Not only do we understand some of the technical aspects but it's entertaining sometimes.

Edit and displaying telemetry on the wheel which distracts the driver isn't exactly safe either. FIA are living in the past with all these silly decisions.
 
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majnu said:
...hearing the radio communication messages whilst watching f1 brings another dimension to the sport. Not only do we understand some of the technical aspects but it's entertaining sometimes.
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Yes exactly.
I think radio messages actually add to the "show".
Personally though, I doubt anything will change. It'll be business as usual and if anybody gets pulled up on it, the standard answer will be given, "sorry boss, won't happen again...". ;)
 
muon said:
So which radio message told Nico to give up the position?
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They could have given him a pre-arranged signal from the pits, beep in the ear, light on the dash or anything, stuff like this will be discussed before a race weekend even starts. If the brains behind F1 teams want to do something without the public knowing it's not that hard, especially given how much the target audience of F1 has been lowered in recent years.

The only reason Ferrari were caught doing it with Alonso/Massa is because they made absolutely no attempt to disguise it and look at the uproar which followed, it's PR suicide to make team orders that obvious which is why the likes of Red Bull/Mercedes have gone to great lengths to hide them.
 
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