It's snowing

Nevakonaza · 13 Jan 2017 at 21:18

Well we had about an hours worth here and that was it,We dont get anything decent in the UK anymore.

Amp34 · 13 Jan 2017 at 21:40

Acme said:
Snow tyre as in a specialist rally tyre, I was just asking if a winter tyre has some of the properties of one of those.

So probably a bit yeah. The rally tyres will probably be studded as well - some people do drive studded tyres on the roads here in winter if they live way out in the sticks.

Firestar_3x said:
Awaiting a review which shows winter tyres are better in the wet than premium summer one.

In the cold I assume?

Winter tyres can give around 20% reduction in stopping distance in icy conditions.

weescott · 13 Jan 2017 at 22:12

I had a site visit scheduled for 9am today. Checked road reports before I left. School buses tested route and turned back. Should I go? Why not.. Let's let sat nav take me the most dangerous route possible in my RWD BMW. :eek:

Akagi · 13 Jan 2017 at 22:16

RWD BMW = all the more reason to go

Django x2 · 13 Jan 2017 at 23:14

Freefaller said:
It's been proven time and again that winter tyres in cold wet weather and in snow and ice, do perform significantly better, to the degree that I don't know why it is not a legal requirement in this country as it is in other European countries!

Please, let me see where a winter tyre performs better in the wet than a good all season / summer tyre. Or are you, with certainty, retaining the "cold" part of your sentence as the caveat?

Freefaller · 13 Jan 2017 at 23:29

Winter tyres work better in cold weather than summer tyres what's your point?

Amp34 · 14 Jan 2017 at 01:27

I doubt anyone is going to argue that a winter tyre is going to work better than a summer tyre when it's warm, yet people seem to love arguing that winter tyres aren't as good as summer tyres when it's cold.

All season tyres are a jack of all tyre with positives for both seasons, but not as good as either in their right environment (see the 20% improvement in cold, icy conditions for a GOOD set of winter tyres over a decent set of all seasons - my guess is dedicated summer tyres are going to perform worse than all seasons in the cold).

Cosimo · 14 Jan 2017 at 07:55

Nothing at all and we can breath a sigh of relief.

Freefaller · 14 Jan 2017 at 08:56

Amp34 said:
I doubt anyone is going to argue that a winter tyre is going to work better than a summer tyre when it's warm, yet people seem to love arguing that winter tyres aren't as good as summer tyres when it's cold.

All season tyres are a jack of all tyre with positives for both seasons, but not as good as either in their right environment (see the 20% improvement in cold, icy conditions for a GOOD set of winter tyres over a decent set of all seasons - my guess is dedicated summer tyres are going to perform worse than all seasons in the cold).

Yeah the one size fits all approach is never going to be as effective as dedicated designed for solutions.

The whole debate on whether it is worth it in this country is another debate altogether... I..e does it get cold enough for long enough etc...

From experience living in France by the mountains having winter tyres (not snow tyres) in the winter even with a RWD car made using the car far less treacherous. Still need to be careful of course but it was night and day in terms of difference.

Blackjack Davy · 14 Jan 2017 at 15:43

ph0 said:
The 2017 blizzard has come to an end, see ya next year chaps!

"Blizzard" as in one hour of sleetly wet slush that didn't lie? Got you.

Rroff · 14 Jan 2017 at 15:52

Outlook towards the end of the month is now mostly mild and at times wet

unless something changes will have to hope Feb is different.

Kanpai · 14 Jan 2017 at 16:00

Blackjack Davy said:
"Blizzard" as in one hour of sleetly wet slush that didn't lie? Got you.

Yep!

[TW]Fox · 14 Jan 2017 at 16:14

Blackjack Davy said:
"Blizzard" as in one hour of sleetly wet slush that didn't lie? Got you.

Don't forget the guy who had 'never seen snow like it, although it didn't settle'

Pawnless Endgame · 14 Jan 2017 at 17:43

Stafford had a light dusting of icing sugar yesterday morning, which was melted by lunch time. 0 out of 10 for effort.

Haven't seen proper snow ("proper" as in 6 inches or more) since 1996.

MooMoo444 · 14 Jan 2017 at 17:59

ph0 said:
Yep!

picture sums it up perfectly

Amp34 · 14 Jan 2017 at 18:10

Freefaller said:
Yeah the one size fits all approach is never going to be as effective as dedicated designed for solutions.

The whole debate on whether it is worth it in this country is another debate altogether... I..e does it get cold enough for long enough etc...

From experience living in France by the mountains having winter tyres (not snow tyres) in the winter even with a RWD car made using the car far less treacherous. Still need to be careful of course but it was night and day in terms of difference.

As you say it's whether it's worth it, but if you use the 7 degree rule you're looking at an improvement around four months of the year.

At the very least people shouldn't complain about the weather or the council not gritting the roads if they don't have proper tyres...

Django x2 · 14 Jan 2017 at 21:06

Freefaller said:
Winter tyres work better in cold weather than summer tyres what's your point?

I'm just checking you're not saying winter tyres are better in the wet than summer tyres, that's all.

Freefaller · 14 Jan 2017 at 21:30

Actually they can be a little better in terms of lateral grip (cornering) as well as reduce chances of aquaplaning, however in terms of braking and general use then no, they're not a sensible to tyre to use. A good quality summer tyre on a rainy day when it is mild will perform very well/better.

However if it's cold, then yes winter tyres perform better if its wet or not.

Freefaller · 14 Jan 2017 at 21:32

Amp34 said:
As you say it's whether it's worth it, but if you use the 7 degree rule you're looking at an improvement around four months of the year.

At the very least people shouldn't complain about the weather or the council not gritting the roads if they don't have proper tyres...

ha! yeah - but it's fun to complain