It's too hot :(

Freefaller said:
yes but if you decrease the reliance on fossil fuels that can only be a good thing surely?

You might have to still use fossil fuels for several decades if not another century or more, but if you need less of them they'll necessarily last longer - and buy us time to come up with better sources of energy that don't destroy the earth.

That said I agree that things like cobalt, lithium etc... the mining for those isn't very "green"... however if it delays or offsets the current issues long enough to buy us time and have a more immediate positive impact then I think that's valid. That said, there is a lot of virtue signalling about EVs and other things - I mean I've got solar panels and battery storage at home, I did it predominantly to be less reliant on the grid and use less gas, I happen to make a little cash from it, but ultimately I also reduce my bills significantly. That said the sustainability side of thing was the primary draw.
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i'll say it again bogus .. geothermal it's not hard to do .. drill down to heated rock poor in water .. steam comes up .. after setup no profit .. if we had spent what we have done on windfarms on geo .. we would be half way there ..never mind hydrogen cleaner nukes (small scale)
as for cobalt 30k people digging with hands 40% under 15 (congo) ..disgusting ev's are no way near green just remotely polluting machines ..
 
flea.rider said:
i'll say it again bogus .. geothermal it's not hard to do .. drill down to heated rock poor in water .. steam comes up .. after setup no profit .. if we had spent what we have done on windfarms on geo .. we would be half way there ..never mind hydrogen cleaner nukes (small scale)
as for cobalt 30k people digging with hands 40% under 15 (congo) ..disgusting ev's are no way near green just remotely polluting machines ..
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So what happens when we do so much geothermal drilling that the mantle cools enough to cause seismic impacts?

Everything has a consequence or an unintended consequence. Even nuclear fusion, and so on. There will always be a price to pay.
 
Freefaller said:
So what happens when we do so much geothermal drilling that the mantle cools enough to cause seismic impacts?

Everything has a consequence or an unintended consequence. Even nuclear fusion, and so on. There will always be a price to pay.
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by that time the air will be clean and we can go back to coal .. :p .. really come on .. your not even drilling into it much it's cheap reliable energy .. for that reason there not going to do it ..https://education.nationalgeographic.org/resource/mantle/
think this way iceland use it for home heating and energy there on what 10 volcanos and don't have a problem ?
 
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flea.rider said:
by that time the air will be clean and we can go back to coal .. :p .. really come on .. your not even drilling into it much it's cheap reliable energy .. for that reason there not going to do it ..https://education.nationalgeographic.org/resource/mantle/
think this way iceland use it for home heating and energy there on what 10 volcanos and don't have a problem ?
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Iceland also has a population of less than 400,000 in a landmass just shy of half of the UK total, and is far more geothermically active than we are. You make it sound like a simple case of drilling a little hole and job done!
 
squerble said:
Iceland also has a population of less than 400,000 in a landmass just shy of half of the UK total, and is far more geothermically active than we are. You make it sound like a simple case of drilling a little hole and job done!
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Indeed. In theory it's great, in practice, the infrastructure required for it (i.e. concrete, and plant etc...) is quite involved. I'd be all up for it, but it won't be cheap, and a lot of govs don't want to do it possibly because they trade in energy.

It's not a trivial thing to do.
 
squerble said:
Iceland also has a population of less than 400,000 in a landmass just shy of half of the UK total, and is far more geothermically active than we are. You make it sound like a simple case of drilling a little hole and job done!
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www.theguardian.com

Network of geothermal power stations ‘could help level up UK’

Many of Britain’s poorest towns are in areas with greatest potential for renewable energy, says report
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

In theory, the UK has enough geothermal energy trapped underground to heat every home for a hundred years.
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Other places are already at it, even Paris uses some.
 
squerble said:
Iceland also has a population of less than 400,000 in a landmass just shy of half of the UK total, and is far more geothermically active than we are. You make it sound like a simple case of drilling a little hole and job done!
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it would be far easyer and less destructive than all the wind turbines and there billions of cubic mtr of concrete on the sea bed ?? along with all the new electromagnetic interference caused by them and there wires to the fish and mammals in the sea ... never mind the maintenance boats helicopters and rust ..
 
I mean it would be awesome to use it. Just like using recycled water for flushing the toilet or watering your garden. I mean it's shocking we use drinking water to flush our toilets and water our gardens....

Crossrail had a massive opportunity to use the TAMs (Tube a manchette) used for compensation grouting (over 100km of them) to create a huge network of heat exchange capabilities. Using the shafts as well but they just backfilled them because the land owners didn't want the liability of it or pay for it etc...


There's a massively poor risk appetite for investing in alternative things that are "new" or unknown. I struggle with this everyday as someone who works in a central government organisation, it's hugely frustrating that there is no foresight or appetite for pushing innovation...



Anyway this is off topic. There's a lot of hot air and prevarication when it comes to climate change and not enough decisive action.
 
Neil79 said:
It was in the West, in the East it was like Winter without the snow :p - Even had the heating on at times :eek:

Humidity didn't really kick in until mid June, heat late June and then it was gone.. Blink and you'll miss it
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Freefaller said:
Chuffing freezing at night. Even during the day at the moment need 2 layers on :(
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flea.rider said:
you do understand we are at the end of a interglacial ?? the world will freeze soon ..
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How do you know this, hope you're right but so many people say the opposite and you say soon, what is soon?
 
flea.rider said:
if you look at the real cost .. ie: you still need coal/gas petrol diesel to make and transport these things (wind turbines) the up keep and then to get rid only after a short lifetime (10-15 yrs) no not wind (never mind how much it has increased our bills ).. solar with the next generation yes .. Geothermal.. even better .. greedy people make the worst choices there in it for profit ..
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So very true, there are ways out there but its the big corporations controlling the world basically that are all about profit and if it doesn't make them as much profit as they get now they ain't changing, so sad the worlds future doesn't come first.
 
UTmaniac said:
Nice day today, sunny but not too warm, just looked at 10-day forecast and most of next week is damp to wet. After a week of mostly showers. Meh.
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I'm away on holiday a non fun thing next week so I actually don't mind it being drab.

Probably only time I'm ever going to say that
 
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