I've Got Someone Sacked .....
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About ten years ago I was told that its 1 unit an hour that the body will remove from itselfs and that this would be dependant on the size of the person. Would have been more interesting to find out exactly what he had been drinking and how long before but I doubt thats going to happen.
Soldato
I think that whilst you're technically correct you're slipping into the GD trap of judging a situation according to the applicable rule or regulation, as seen from a moral high ground. And whilst it serves to bolster your argument, and probably make you feel most self righteous, the reality is that daily life doesn't necessarily conform to the guidelines of the workplace. Be that a good or a bad thing.
I'm not defending someone's operating machinery whilst under the influence, certainly not. I'm talking solely about the actions of the OP, and the implications of those actions. As Castiel said above, the nature of the fellow's sickness, and the outcome of a disciplinary hearing with regards to him taking sick leave, valid or not, are something altogether different.
And imo, it's silly to speculate as to the OP's implication in such a hearing (having told the lad to take the day off), on account a probable discretion on the part of the drinker. A word in the ear, a little friendly advice. One human being showing compassion towards another and so on. The odds of the OP being dragged into the scenario are obviously slim. He'd be doing the guy a favor. And unlike the OP, most people value a favor.
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Soldato
Cant believe people actually think this is okay. How can you sit with the guy in the car , continue chit chat, take him to work like you're his pal.. then grass him up as soon as you're in.
Regardless of machinary you definitely should have at least had the balls to tell him your feelings on the matter in the car and maybe gave an oppurtunity to let the guy call a sicky or whatever.
Okay so maybe an accident could have occurred but if you hadn't went to such an extreme one bloke might still have had some stability in the current economical climate.
Lesson, trust no one, people crap on you in an instant.
Hope you get promoted Albert cos the snitches always do.
Regardless of machinary you definitely should have at least had the balls to tell him your feelings on the matter in the car and maybe gave an oppurtunity to let the guy call a sicky or whatever.
Okay so maybe an accident could have occurred but if you hadn't went to such an extreme one bloke might still have had some stability in the current economical climate.
Lesson, trust no one, people crap on you in an instant.
Hope you get promoted Albert cos the snitches always do.
Agreed. However from the perspective of the OP, this person was also his friend so giving him friendly advice prior to attending work and resuming his duties would not be persuant to being disciplined. Only if he assumed the authority to tell the employee to remain at home in his capacity as team leader would he open himself up for investigation.
Simply saying 'look mate, you should not work under the influence' and giving your friend the opportunity to make the decision himself is not asserting authority or precludes telling his superiors that Employee X has taken a sick day for being unfit due to alcohol.
At least then the employee would be more likely not to fall foul of gross misconduct and summary dismissal, which appears to be the case here.
Like I said, discretion can be used, in both capacities, as a friend and supervisor.
Soldato
obvious jobsworth is obvious.
How did they actually prove he was drinking? Isn't it one word against another's, unless he admitted it to the manager as well?
I wouldn't be suprised if this gets into a legal dispute of unfair dismissal, which means you're going to be brought into it also. What if he wins his case... you still going to give him a lift to work?
Not trying to worry you or anything...
I wouldn't be suprised if this gets into a legal dispute of unfair dismissal, which means you're going to be brought into it also. What if he wins his case... you still going to give him a lift to work?
Not trying to worry you or anything...
Soldato
^ This, even if there were other ways you could have handled it by making him take a sickie, you did the right thing and that's all you need to concern yourself with.
agreed. the "twit" shouldnt of gone to work after a night on the beers to operate heavy machinery.
got what he deserved in my opinion.
imagine if he had killed someone and it came out the OP had known about his condition. that would not go down to well in a manslaughter hearing..
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i can't get over how people seem to be justifying the employees actions over the OPs. the employee was at fault not the OP,
if the employee is stupid enough to do it on one occasion, i am sure he will have already done it and will do it on others. probably this time he just felt like taking about it.
lol, he is not a snitch, he did the right thing for my reasons above,
but yer trust no one at work or in business is a pretty sound rule
I would assume that an alcohol test was administered by a trained employee or manager at the firm.
I'm not sure from reading the thread that the employee has actually been dismissed as yet, he may well have been suspended pending investigation. Maybe the OP can clarify.
Otherwise the employee may well have a case relating to proof of his incapacity to complete his duties as per his contract.
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If was me I would have just told him to take a day off, rather than grass a mate up.
Soldato
I hope this geeser is not grudge bearing or vindictive. He'll have to know that you reported him and he might comeback and introduce your kneecaps to a baseball bat at high speed !!!
you did the right thing OP - what he did was an instant sackable offense for a reason, he could have killed somebody. Then, as you knew about it but did nothing, you would be going to jail as well. As soon as he told you, you had no choice but to tell your boss.
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in which case he would be the sort of person who deserved what the op did. being a mate works both ways, what sort of 'mate' puts his other 'mates' at risk by drinking before using machinery?
the employee and a few on here need to reaslise that when people are responsible for their own actions they can't blame others esp in this situation.
Soldato
Only read the OP.
Sounds to me you should have tried to convince your mate to try get the day off work through a sick day or somit and told him not to drink just before work again or you would dob him in as a idle threat.
Or maybe he was joking with you, did he smell of beer?
Sounds to me you should have tried to convince your mate to try get the day off work through a sick day or somit and told him not to drink just before work again or you would dob him in as a idle threat.
Or maybe he was joking with you, did he smell of beer?
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Surely any team leader worth their job title would have done this. You obviously had a relationship with the guy where he trusted you enough to tell you about his stupidity. You should have taken the matter into your own hands as team leader, driven him back home and warned him that this was NEVER, EVER to happen again.
Soldato
The "right" thing isn't always just that.
Workplaces often have great importance in trust , comradery and friendshipship. You sometimes need to use a little bit of tact when someone messes up. Take em aside of management and tell em what youve seen.
You have probably actually ruined any trust anyone else at work has in you. Even your boss probably thinks you were low in your actions but he is forced to act appropriately.
Workplaces often have great importance in trust , comradery and friendshipship. You sometimes need to use a little bit of tact when someone messes up. Take em aside of management and tell em what youve seen.
You have probably actually ruined any trust anyone else at work has in you. Even your boss probably thinks you were low in your actions but he is forced to act appropriately.