I've Got Someone Sacked .....

Exactly. People concerned about this guy's ability to now pay his mortgage...this is what happens to idiots in life I'm afraid. He felt that drinking was worth the risk, and risked other people's lives by doing so. He paid the price.
 
Hedge said:
He didn't intervene properly though. He went above his head and got a skilled worker walked off site, took the blokes dignity and turned his life upside down. If he had intervened in the car things would be very different. Not much leadership from a team leader.
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so what about next time when the guy doesnt say anything and hoses someone down in a forklift because last time he was made to take a sick day and lose some pay?
 
NathWraith said:
Drive whilst under the influence = OMG BABY KILLER

Operate machinery under the influence = aww give him another chance he didnt mean it

:rolleyes:
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Neither are acceptable.

However given that judgement is often impaired you would warn someone you knew not to drive their car drunk, the same applies to this situation.
 
Castiel said:
Neither are acceptable.

However given that judgement is often impaired you would warn someone you knew not to drive their car drunk, the same applies to this situation.
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True but the situation implies that the OP's hands were tied as by the time they were at work, their was no other option.

I don't believe the OP is at fault for the sacking, i think being sacked on the spot is a little too harsh considering he is a valued worker.

I think the OP did the right thing considering the circumstances.
 
If it'd had been me in that position I would have told the guy that he must go home and call in sick that day and never come in drunk again or you'd report him. That way he has a chance to sort it out and you can make sure he never gets an opportunity to work under the influence.
 
neil_g said:
so what about next time when the guy doesnt say anything and hoses someone down in a forklift because last time he was made to take a sick day and lose some pay?
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Its not really that black and white. I completely understand that alcohol and machinery are an unacceptable mix but sometimes in life you have to use your discretion a little and not always jump to the extreme end of the scale.

I suppose I'm diving in because the guy had a chat in the car with him and obviously didn't realise how wrong his behaviour was, so he should have been given a warning by his team leader.

If the guy in question should do anythin now, then he should play an alcohol dependance card and his employer will have to support him .
 
neil_g said:
so what about next time when the guy doesnt say anything and hoses someone down in a forklift because last time he was made to take a sick day and lose some pay?
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Who is to say that he doesn't inform his management of the issue regarding the reason for the employees sickness, at least then appropriate action can be taken as regards the employees overall fitness to work and any disciplinary action can be more objectively considered.

The fact that he was allowed to enter the workplace inebriated forced a course of action and limited the choices of both the employer and employee.

While the actions of the employee are his responsibility and the loss of his job lies with him, as either a friend or his superior he should not have allowed the employee to enter the workplace unfit to begin with. Poor decision-making all round which led to a single course of action being forced on the employer.
 
Interesting thread, i have a bit of similar problem.
Right i work at a warehouse and theres a lot of agency workers there including me. Anyway most of us temps have applied for another job in another warehouse which is a permanent job. Anyway some people have been given the job but had to do a drug test (pee in a bottle) to pass. A couple people failed it as they smoke weed (im pretty sure thats all they smoke, so nothing serious like heroin). And the funny thing is there back at my workplace, and back on there reach trucks/llops, even though the agency bosses know why there back.
I suppose its no different than people turning up to work on a sunday morning (6:30am start) shift and still tipsy or hungover from saturday night.
I would never say anything as im not a boss and a lot of them are my work mates. But at the end of the day its dangerous and working in my warehouse thats pretty anal when it comes to health and safety im suprised they let it go.
 
NathWraith said:
True but the situation implies that the OP's hands were tied as by the time they were at work, their was no other option.

I don't believe the OP is at fault for the sacking, i think being sacked on the spot is a little too harsh considering he is a valued worker.

I think the OP did the right thing considering the circumstances.
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I don't think the OP is responsible for the actions of the employee either, I do however feel that he had shown a distinct lack of leadership skill in the way he dealt with the situation.

He could have simply told the employee to remain at home and then spoken to the management when he arrived, this would have allowed for a far wider consideration of the application of the disciplinary procedures which may not have led to summary dismissal.
 
Spook187 said:
Then you should have taken him straight back home to sort himself out imo.
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This.

should have took him back home and said to your peers he's not in today as on the way to work you had to pull over to let him be sick, must be a stomache bug or something and "he didn't look well". Then had a word with him later and told him that if he does it again you'll have no choice but to tell a supervisor. You went straight for the jugular.

At the end of the day though it's the own guys fault. Yes he's probably cursing you but ultimately it was his actions and his responsibility. Nothing to feel guilty for yourself. Just a lesson learnt in maybe not acting so rash next time.
 
After the guy admitted he'd been drinking he could have asked the OP to take him back home, he didn't. Therefore he imagined it was OK to be drunk - he's a liability tbh.
I mean, 4 cans before work, what a dick...

Probably a daft idea to pass the buck to management because they won't care about dropping you in it, but we all do things without thinking about how they might pan out.

OP should apologise to his friend but not kick himself too much.
 
The op could have even had a quite word with his manager after telling the guy to take a sick day which might have resulted in a warmning next time.

Something along the lines of "boss sorry to I had to tell 'employee x' that he had been drinking before work and it was better for him to take a sick day then come to work. The reason I'm telling you is because I value this person and think it was a simple mistake that wont happen again but could you please have a word with him and make note thats its been monitored hopefully pushing him to buck his ideas with regards to this and working. Its your call if you allow this to be a sick day but given I personally think hes a hard worker and havent had a issue to date its not worth losing him unless he continues which I hope wont be the case. Cheers"
 
Bloody hell OP. With the climate we've got, surely you'd have realised what your actions were bound to bring.

Obviously the guy was in the wrong, but imo, if he trusted you enough to tell you, I would personally have given the guy the chance to get out of the car. :(
 
maybe people are forgetting that as soon as he was told the information the OP must, by law, inform his boss - not doing so would cost him his own job.
if i was the op's boss and i found out that he knew what was going on and only sent him home to cover it up i would have no choice but to sack them both immediately - its my neck on the line and i would be the one going to jail for corporate manslaughter if someone got killed.
 
Castiel said:
I don't think the OP is responsible for the actions of the employee either, I do however feel that he had shown a distinct lack of leadership skill in the way he dealt with the situation.

He could have simply told the employee to remain at home and then spoken to the management when he arrived, this would have allowed for a far wider consideration of the application of the disciplinary procedures which may not have led to summary dismissal.
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I doubt this would have made any difference, as management would have known that he attempted to come into work under the influence and sacked him all the same.

I think he showed excellent leadership by putting the safety of the employees over and above any feelings of friendship.
 
As a team leader I would have expected you to show some consideration/judgement, first warn your colleague/friend that he cannot go into work over the influence and give him the chance to call in sick/unfit for work.

If he chose to ignore then fine report him asap, secondary I'd also let him know that if it were ever to happen again he would not get the chance of a warning.

Some say hindsight is a wonderful thing but I don't really see this as anything complicated to think about.

Yes it was his fault and he now has to face the consequences but you had an opportunity to prevent such a negative outcome. :(
 
Hedge said:
The "right" thing isn't always just that.

Workplaces often have great importance in trust , comradery and friendshipship.
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come on get real, this works both ways, the employee certainly showed none of this to his teammates by drinking quite a bit before going to work

if the employee cared enough he would have pulled a sickie without having to be asked which lends itself to the fact i doubt it will have been an isolated incident with him
 
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