Caporegime
Great news then - the job can go to someone in need who actually deserves it.
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Great news then - the job can go to someone in need who actually deserves it.
I disagree as he allowed someone who was a risk to the work environment to enter that environment knowing that he was a liability.
Better to have left him at home and then reported the incident to the management, while they may have dismissed him anyway, once the employee was on the premises and starting work there was no alternative action available.
He showed poor leadership qualities by not fully assessing the situation and the consequences.
I would have told the employee to remain at home and dealt with the situation under the disciplinary procedures set out in his contract. That may well have led to his dismissal, but would have allowed for greater consideration of the employees history, employment and disciplinary record.
Poor judgement by the employee and the OP in my opinion, the OP is not responsible for the employee being dismissed, however he did show a lack of judgement with regard to consideration of the situation.
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Caporegime
He was stuck between a rock and a hard place. I doubt he had time to consult HR while he was in the car.
Soldato
It's obviously the first time this has happened because Albert woulda dobbed him in over the last year and a half. Ignoring this incident the guy has been a good worker and clearly deserved his job.
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Caporegime
No, it's obviously the first time Albert has been told that it is going on. How many times has the guy sat there in his car bevvied without telling him?
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no, it is the first time the employee had mentioned it and got caught out....i doubt it is the first time the employee has done it especially if he has that mentality
Soldato
No one knows, but as there is no history of it you need to assume its a one off, make warnings, and monitor as management.
He should have used his own judgement. He doesn't need HR approval to give advice to a friend, or an employee for that matter.
I think he took the wrong option and by allowing the employee to enter the workplace without fully considering the consequences shows a distinct lack of judgement.
There is more to leadership than simple strict application of the rulebook.
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come on, anyone with the mentality to do this is likely to have done it on more than one occasion.
the only difference is this time he talked about it.
it is not like having a glass of wine with lunch then rolling up to work 2 hours later, this was a few cans of beer which is more than likely to inhibit his ability to safely operate machinery.
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Agreed. Being a team leader and Manager in different jobs I have done this in the past for different things but never had issues with good workers. Crap workers and dossers are another story
(7 years since being in those roles though so maybe times have changed)You have no proof that this was the case, it is just as likely to have been an aberration of behaviour as to have been a regular occurrence.
Caporegime
No it wouldn't, it would have allowed an equal consideration. They could have suspended him immediately pending investigation instead of summarily dismissing him. I'm not sure why you're so convinced that the location of the employee at the time of mangement finding out, has such a large bearing on the ultimate disciplinary action taken. Whether he'd been at home or at work, his employers had an equal number of options available to them.
In any case he was already driving to work with this guy, they might have been two minutes away when he told him.
Caporegime
My point is that it is unknown, not that it is necessarily a habit. I was disputing the notion that because it is the first time the idiot told him that it must implicitly be the first time it has happened.
Soldato
This might be the case but you cant just make assumptions to justify actions.
Overall I just think its a sad story of one hard working blokes ****up turning his life upside-downand putting him in a very bad place .
Just frustrating this could have been done far more reasonably.
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OP, you need to think how this entire situation makes you look in front of the people both above and below you at work. Regardless of if what you did was technically correct or not, whether you should have been put in this situation etc etc, the fact is you were put in this situation and I personally think your actions make you look a bit untrustworthy and a bit of a grass. How will this effect your progression at work? How will the rest of the staff now treat you?
If you had have left him at home and told him to call in sick it would have given you more time to decide what the best action was.
In the future just think about yourself and how things impact on you and your progression (if that's what you're aiming for). In this case, being more considerate to a fellow member of staff would have helped him out and had zero bearing on you, whereas your actual action just disadvantaged you both.
If you had have left him at home and told him to call in sick it would have given you more time to decide what the best action was.
In the future just think about yourself and how things impact on you and your progression (if that's what you're aiming for). In this case, being more considerate to a fellow member of staff would have helped him out and had zero bearing on you, whereas your actual action just disadvantaged you both.
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drinking to this extent before work demonstrates extremely poor judgement. It is perfectly reasonable to assume a trait of repeated behaviour. it wasn’t like a glass of wine at lunch, then work 2 hours later, this was a few cans before work, and the employee must realise the effect this much alcohol could have on his ability to safely operate machinery. my assumptions about anyone with that mentality seem perfectly reasonable.
if one of your drivers turned up over the limit and you found out about it you would be asking yourself how many times this happens, and I suspect and would hope they would be fired for gross misconduct.
more discretion could have been applied if his job was simply office based and at worst he may get a paper cut
Soldato
I had a word with somebody at work a few weeks back to try and avoid getting them into trouble, they put in a complaint against me for it
Some people can be right ****s
I had a complaint put in against me for doing MORE than was required, some teacher wanted 4 copies of 2 CDs, i did 4 copies of EACH CD which was apparently too many as they only wanted 2 of each (somehow instrucing me to do 4 copies, handing me 2 CDs meant 2 of each), this was grounds for complaint
Though our line manager said he simply ignored it as it was ridiculous