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Ivy Bridge Temperatures Could Be Linked To TIM Inside Integrated Heatspreader: Report

Justintime said:
Test it on a clean boot with no other apps running. Its not going full whack, theres most likely a few C more load in there but its looking good!
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ay i'll do it now... also the ambient temp of my room has gone up by about 2-3 oC since i did the test this morning xD

temps went up by 1degree on a fresh boot... but i did also increase the vcore by one notch as i had some WHEA errors :P
 
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Thats quite a decrease in temps.....i cant believe the terrible application of intels thermal gunk is over 10 degrees off top end TIM, and the price isnt that dramatically different. Hell I would pay 10 or 20 quid more for a chip with superior TIM that could run much cooler than the current IVY with gunk splashed under its IHS. Didnt intel think this through?

I will be VERY tempted to give this a go.
 
chilipeppersc said:
Thats quite a decrease in temps.....i cant believe the terrible application of intels thermal gunk is over 10 degrees off top end TIM, and the price isnt that dramatically different. Hell I would pay 10 or 20 quid more for a chip with superior TIM that could run much cooler than the current IVY with gunk splashed under its IHS. Didnt intel think this through?

I will be VERY tempted to give this a go.
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exactly, if they did offer a chip with liquid pro already inside i would prob pay the extra £20-30 they would charge... be the i7 3770kX model :p

x for eXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXtreme .... :p
 
Sasso said:
exactly, if they did offer a chip with liquid pro already inside i would prob pay the extra £20-30 they would charge... be the i7 3770kX model :p

x for eXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXtreme .... :p
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Ahaah I can't wait to sort my chip out this way and get a custom loop going my temps will be so low :D
 
Sasso said:
then came the moment of truth... would it turn back on or had i killed everything xD turned on the PSU switch and the mobos green light came on.... so far so good. went to turn the pc on..... nothing...
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Haha that must've been a real heart in your throat moment. Glad it wasn't as bad as it seemed...

This is really disappointing from Intel after the greatness of Sandybridge. I guess when you're in a dominant position you can rest on your laurels, and as has already been pointed out this "issue" won't affect the non-enthusiast crowd, and the chip still functions albeit at much higher temperatures. Intel's argument will be that they never guarantee any kind of overclock, much less 1Ghz+ over stock, or at any given temperature. As long as it's below Tmax they don't care.

My gut feeling is they won't change this process if it saves them a not insignificant sum of money and it doesn't affect OEMs.

The poor quality of the TIM and the liberal application of it is not really that surprising in the grand scheme of the volume of CPUs they need to produce. You can't expect them to lovingly apply Liquid Metal or whatever like an end-user might.

Part of me thinks that the return of slicing IHS off, making overclocking more of a hardcore thing like the old days, etc is an interesting thing. As I've gotten older though my desire to do things like this is rapidly waning, especially with the knowledge that removing the IHS equals instant warranty voiding. I, like many others I suspect, would pay a little extra for a soldered IHS with presumably similar if not better performance than Liquid Metal is showing in this thread.
 
Durzel said:
Haha that must've been a real heart in your throat moment. Glad it wasn't as bad as it seemed...

This is really disappointing from Intel after the greatness of Sandybridge. I guess when you're in a dominant position you can rest on your laurels, and as has already been pointed out this "issue" won't affect the non-enthusiast crowd, and the chip still functions albeit at much higher temperatures. Intel's argument will be that they never guarantee any kind of overclock, much less 1Ghz+ over stock, or at any given temperature. As long as it's below Tmax they don't care.

My gut feeling is they won't change this process if it saves them a not insignificant sum of money and it doesn't affect OEMs.

The poor quality of the TIM and the liberal application of it is not really that surprising in the grand scheme of the volume of CPUs they need to produce. You can't expect them to lovingly apply Liquid Metal or whatever like an end-user might.

Part of me thinks that the return of slicing IHS off, making overclocking more of a hardcore thing like the old days, etc is an interesting thing. As I've gotten older though my desire to do things like this is rapidly waning, especially with the knowledge that removing the IHS equals instant warranty voiding. I, like many others I suspect, would pay a little extra for a soldered IHS with presumably similar if not better performance than Liquid Metal is showing in this thread.
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couldnt agree more, seeing that the average enthusiast spends a fortune on upgrade parts and optimazation of their system, the extra 30 pound would not make much difference to the pocket, but performance wise we would see lower temps and more stable OC's.

As you pointed out, they would need to lovingly apply the thermal liquid or create a process which applied it more delicately, plus invest in the TIM or Soldering method itself, so I cant see how intel would make profit from such a system, paying workers to do additional chores is lesser profit. Machines do it all anyway, and I bet he machines are less than delicate with the application of TIM, more of a splodge and a suction put together and done....NEXT!

Its a shame tho, but never the less adds an accomplishment and difficulty to the task.
 
Well last night I put my order in for a OEM Core i5 3750K, this will run on a Gigabyte Z77 UDH3 and will be cooled with a custom water cooling loop. I will also go ahead and whip of the IHS but I'll be using Prolimatech's PK-1, it will be interesting to compare the results to liquid pro. This won't be for a days though.
 
Dr. Sasso, my clanmate from TFU, performed the TIM/top removal, applied liquid metal stuff and his load temps went from 85degC to 73degC even in this weather

EDIT: He has posted above lols - never mind
 
I read in the liquid pro is bad thread that this stuff is not meant for long term use so are people expecting to have to reapply? Also it can apparently chemically weld surfaces together (although they do say this a rare occurrence).

Has anyone tried an alternative safer tim?

Cotti.
 
Cotti said:
I read in the liquid pro is bad thread that this stuff is not meant for long term use so are people expecting to have to reapply? Also it can apparently chemically weld surfaces together (although they do say this a rare occurrence).

Has anyone tried an alternative safer tim?

Cotti.
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If you look over the past 6 pages of the thread we've had members use all differant TIMS.

Jokestar used Arctic Silver 5
Hanluc used Arctic Cooling MX4
Mik3 used Liquid Pro
Sasso used Liquid Amateur

And some bloke called Freddie is going to use a tim that he can't even spell proliaermtechy PK-1 or something or other, once he gets his CPU.

This might be worth a read as well if your interested in removing the IHS.
 
liquid pro is fine for long term use, as fine as solder is anyway as it is probably the most similar to the solder intel used to use. If it did chemically weld surfaces together I would say this a good thing as it would give you lower temps :P

It only interacts with Aliminium and so should be fine as long as you don't have a cheapy aliminium cooler.
 
The only issue with Liquid Pro is that cleaning it off is a nightmare. When I tested it years ago I had to use Brasso to remove it off the base of my cooler, don't fancy having to do that on the top of a CPU!
 
P.S. A friend wanted me to do this for them, as I "know about computers" and have helped them build in the past. However, upon taking the most slender craft-knife I can find to their CPU, I stopped immediately ... the gap is just too small, at least on their example. I'll definitely score the PCB if I try.

I tried sitting it upside down in some Krud Kutter adhesive remover for a couple of hours, which seemed to do absolutely nothing to the adhesive.

Can anyone recommend something that will loosen it (and not damage the PCB)?

Or should I perhaps saw the thing off with dental floss?

If all the CPUs are as tightly seated as this one, I forsee a lot of wrecked CPUs .... be careful.
 
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