Ivy fail

The Halk · 24 Apr 2012 at 07:04

If you think it's a fail then you had no idea at all what to expect.

Ivy Bridge is exactly what was expected, the only surprise was the way that electron leakage causes higher leakage.

Orcvader · 24 Apr 2012 at 07:40

bhavv said:
It is a fail. Going from 32 to 22 nm should increase maximum clock speeds and reduce temperatures, but neither of those have happened.

*Looks at the Core/Core 2 series*

If I remember correctly the original Core series was able to take higher voltages and higher speeds than the Core 2 series.

This is just a dieshrink everyone, the architecture is still pretty much the same as SB, just on a smaller process. It is a "Tick" after all. Haswell, the next "Tock", should be the one that brings real gains to the CPU performance as it's a new architecture that should bring the best out of 22nm.

covenantuk · 24 Apr 2012 at 08:07

IB makes little sense as an upgrade unless you need something new to keep you busy overclocking at night.

The real dilemma is for anyone upgrading now. Do you:

Buy Z77 and SB now then upgrade to a more mature IB later
Just buy a cheap Z68/SB and wait for Haswell
Grab Z77 and IB now, focus on o/c memory and sell when you want to upgrade to Haswell

Yaayuh! · 24 Apr 2012 at 08:12

This thread fails tbh. Trollin' much?

Apart from the odd post like these:

Orcvader said:
*Looks at the Core/Core 2 series*

If I remember correctly the original Core series was able to take higher voltages and higher speeds than the Core 2 series.

This is just a dieshrink everyone, the architecture is still pretty much the same as SB, just on a smaller process. It is a "Tick" after all. Haswell, the next "Tock", should be the one that brings real gains to the CPU performance as it's a new architecture that should bring the best out of 22nm.

AndyH_Lufc said:
It's hardly a fail, for everyone but Overclockers it has nothing but advantages over the generation it replaces. Enthusiasts are such a small portion of the market anyway.

Number_25 · 24 Apr 2012 at 08:17

I might get myself a 3570k, I hope that Overclockers stock it competitvely (£130).

nightmare99 · 24 Apr 2012 at 09:39

If I remember correctly the original Core series was able to take higher voltages and higher speeds than the Core 2 series.

Core was only released on mobile, the first desktop Core series was Core2

the_director · 24 Apr 2012 at 09:47

I don't think the I5 will be £130, as much as I would love it to be that price.

bhavv · 24 Apr 2012 at 10:00

Well I thought this was an 'overclockers' forum? Most people here will overclock their CPU and for anyone doing that the IB is a fail. K series processors are for overclockers, so any K series IBs are currently a failure.

bhavv · 24 Apr 2012 at 10:04

Orcvader said:
*Looks at the Core/Core 2 series*

If I remember correctly the original Core series was able to take higher voltages and higher speeds than the Core 2 series.

This is just a dieshrink everyone, the architecture is still pretty much the same as SB, just on a smaller process. It is a "Tick" after all. Haswell, the next "Tock", should be the one that brings real gains to the CPU performance as it's a new architecture that should bring the best out of 22nm.

Can't even remember the original core series, but I know that 45 nm westmeres clocked better than conroes, and 32 nm gulftown and SB both clocked better than 45 nm I7s.

Being a tick or tock has little relevance to die shrinks, lower manufacturing process when done right = lower power consumption and temperatures, and higher max overclocks for both CPUs and GPUs.

reddev85 · 24 Apr 2012 at 10:28

Ivybridge isn't fail. People just expected too much from it.

Lower TDP (for the CPU anyway), PCI-E 3.0, much better memory controller, lower temps (at stock) and lower power consumption. Combined with a good increase in graphics performance with HD 4000.

For me, all those positives outweigh the negative, with is limited overclocking ability due to heat, and even then 4.5Ghz is quite achievable with a decent cooler which probably equals about 4.7-4.8Ghz on a SB.

I'll be ordering a 3770K on it's release, depending on the level of price gouging there is going on.

Besty · 24 Apr 2012 at 10:31

Fail? for some users maybe.

Stick one in a Macbook Pro though and you end up with probably the best laptop ever created.

Being able to transcode a 1080p film in about 5 minutes to my mobile devices is going to rock pretty hard as is the battery life.

arc@css · 24 Apr 2012 at 10:34

Michael172 said:
Just another day at the AMD office.

HAHAHAHA

spankingtexan · 24 Apr 2012 at 10:38

Keeping my i5 2500k and getting a second 680 for a real power boost. R.I.P. Ivy

Spenty · 24 Apr 2012 at 10:47

Ivy-Midge

Ethermaster · 24 Apr 2012 at 11:05

If your still on 1156, 1133, 775 or bulldozer then the upgrade to ivy bridge is a no brainer, if you are already on sandybridge stick with it and wait for haswell as ivy with not give you anymore performance, yes sandy does overclock better but there are more features on the 22nm ivy the main stream will use. Ivy does have a much better memory controller and pci-e 3.0 (the results ate still out if we needed the improvement). The iGPU HD4000 is miles better then the old sandy chips so if your not running a gpu card thats a big bonus

. Ivy was mainly designed mainly for ultrabooks in mind

so that makes sence.

Ivy is a good chip and i just think people are forgetting that its just a die stink with more toys then sandy not a cpu power upgrade.

Highlands · 24 Apr 2012 at 11:12

I'm going to buy a 3770k only because I have a brand new build, including a Z77 board waiting for a processor. Otherwise the Sandy looks a much better/cheaper option.

Tattysnuc · 24 Apr 2012 at 11:14

I've definitely skipping this as an upgrade. I like being able to overclock, so the i7 950 is going to remain my workhorse until I can get a 980/990X.

keyser · 24 Apr 2012 at 11:16

Sgt Chubb said:
For people like me who aren't throwing on high overclocks right from the get-go, having a chip that is cooler and a bit faster at stock than an equiv. SB, that can potentially be overclocked moderately later on down the line is great (especially as I have an ancient machine right now). Not a fail really, unless you are just getting the CPU to OC straight away.

Agreed. I've waited long enough to upgrade to a quad core cpu. I'll be getting IB in May. Overclocking isn't free, you pay for it when your electric bill comes. My idle power will half with my new pc (E8400+4870 to IB+7850). I'll be happy with 4.4Ghz, or whatever I get with 1.1volts.

njm106 · 24 Apr 2012 at 11:20

It's not so much a fail more of a "meh" if you need to buy a new cpu and IB is cheaper than SB it makes sense, at the same price it depends if you value overclocking or power efficiency and if IB is cheaper (as it should be according to Anandtech) then it's pretty much a no brainer.

It's not like Bulldozer (lets not go there!) but it will be interesting to see how the process matures I'm beginning to wonder if we have started to hit the limit of the process miniaturization.

Tattysnuc · 24 Apr 2012 at 11:25

njm106 said:
It's not so much a fail more of a "meh" if you need to buy a new cpu and IB is cheaper than SB it makes sense, at the same price it depends if you value overclocking or power efficiency and if IB is cheaper (as it should be according to Anandtech) then it's pretty much a no brainer.

It's not like Bulldozer (lets not go there!) but it will be interesting to see how the process matures I'm beginning to wonder if we have started to hit the limit of the process miniaturization.

sounds to me like an immature 3d transister manufacturing process.