Jacob Rees-Mogg Redux

Amp34 said:
He did say SJWs, not Liberals. TBH I wouldn’t totally disagree. That’s why it’s a good idea to put more normal people into positions of power rather than the extremes. :p

A nice centralist government (or centre right/centre left coalition) would be ideal!
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Some kind of centre left government or coalition would be ideal. :)
 
chroniclard said:
Some kind of centre left government or coalition would be ideal. :)
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We need a proper, democratic voting system first. FPTP (almost) guarantees we continually swing from left-wing to right-wing and back again. It's proven to be useless, but it suits both the biggest political parties, so change will be very difficult. What with the boundary changes pretty much handing all future elections to the Tories, they esp have zero appetite to change it.

Yes there was a referendum on voting reform, but it was a carefully crafted referendum where both main political parties campaigned against the change.
 
VincentHanna said:
Pretty sure we aren't bombing Pakistan, Ethiopia, Nigeria, South Sudan, Tanzania, India or Bangladesh.
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Perhaps not directly, but indirect arms sales sponsored by holier-than-thou nations is hardly cute. Pakistan has a large terror cell precisely due to American influence during the cold war and the subsequent belligerence when the CIA dropped out of the region hard. Oh and Hyderabad was a very aggressive move by the US, Pakistan can perhaps be forgiven slightly when their "ally" blatantly invades and assassinates someone... oh and fails miserably by losing one of their helicopters.

Ethiopia was and still is a very poor nation, and was part of the South Indian piracy problem with other East African nations, considering the main defense of those oil tankers was US-Coalition forces, it becomes really easy to recruit as their income stopped/slowed.

The other two i'm not familiar with, so wont comment.
 
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FoxEye said:
We need a proper, democratic voting system first. FPTP (almost) guarantees we continually swing from left-wing to right-wing and back again. It's proven to be useless, but it suits both the biggest political parties, so change will be very difficult. What with the boundary changes pretty much handing all future elections to the Tories, they esp have zero appetite to change it.

Yes there was a referendum on voting reform, but it was a carefully crafted referendum where both main political parties campaigned against the change.
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Plus the option given was a poor one and even people in favour of a pr type of system didn' like it. Great way to secure the result you want in the vote.

It was the equivalent of making the brexit vote between a choice of keep things as they are or vote to close your borders and stop importing anything foreign including food.
 
FoxEye said:
We need a proper, democratic voting system first. FPTP (almost) guarantees we continually swing from left-wing to right-wing and back again. It's proven to be useless, but it suits both the biggest political parties, so change will be very difficult. What with the boundary changes pretty much handing all future elections to the Tories, they esp have zero appetite to change it.

Yes there was a referendum on voting reform, but it was a carefully crafted referendum where both main political parties campaigned against the change.
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We have already voted no to that.
 
LabR@t said:
We have already voted no to that.
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We voted no against a badly thought out awful alternative. If a proper sensible one was put forward and the main parties were in favour of it then it would win by a landslide. Won' happen though as the two main parties don' ever want it to change
 
LabR@t said:
We have already voted no to that.
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I know. We're stuck with FPTP for a long, long time. So we'll continue to swing from left to right, right to left. With policies being made and reversed. With each side blaming the last (opposite) govt from everything that's not right. And short-term thinking reigning supreme in all policy making.

It fills you with hope for the future, doesn't it.
 
We shouldn't be sending money abroad, we should be sending stuff.
  • Village needs water? Send them well drilling equipment made in the UK.
  • Refugees with nowhere to go? Send them tents, prefabs and supplies made in the UK.
  • Islamic terrorists we like? Send them guns and ammo made in the UK.
  • Islamic terrorists we don't like? Send them bullets made in the UK at high velocity.
This would do wonders for British manufacturing, local economies AND appease the do-gooders. But no, we send money to countries that have space programs, WMDs and genocidal dictators, and we don't manufacture anything :/
 
d_brennen said:
We shouldn't be sending money abroad, we should be sending stuff.
  • Village needs water? Send them well drilling equipment made in the UK.
  • Refugees with nowhere to go? Send them tents, prefabs and supplies made in the UK.
  • Islamic terrorists we like? Send them guns and ammo made in the UK.
  • Islamic terrorists we don't like? Send them bullets made in the UK at high velocity.
This would do wonders for British manufacturing, local economies AND appease the do-gooders. But no, we send money to countries that have space programs, WMDs and genocidal dictators, and we don't manufacture anything :/
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There have also been problems, well documented, where sending stuff hasn't worked either.

There are numerous accounts of building wells, which fall into disuse as the villages can't maintain them.

Of sending tractors which lie rusting in a field, because they can't be maintained...

As cruel as it may sound, it appears that some places are simply not equipped to drag themselves into the 21st century. The "white-guilt" brigade will say we are responsible and they would have been so much better off now if we'd never colonised them.

Alternatively, they might still be living in mud huts.
 
FoxEye said:
There have also been problems, well documented, where sending stuff hasn't worked either.

There are numerous accounts of building wells, which fall into disuse as the villages can't maintain them.

Of sending tractors which lie rusting in a field, because they can't be maintained...

As cruel as it may sound, it appears that some places are simply not equipped to drag themselves into the 21st century. The "white-guilt" brigade will say we are responsible and they would have been so much better off now if we'd never colonised them.

Alternatively, they might still be living in mud huts.
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Maybe our aid efforts shouldn't be so shortsighted then. We can send supplies and manpower, to plan and sustain projects. It just seems nuts to me spraying a money hose at third world nations and expecting progress
 
I would say that we should continue to focus on funding education programs in such countries, but it's probably a waste of time. The clock is indeed ticking on the viability of human habitation in a lot of these countries.

Collapsing habitats tend to destroy bewildered civilisations.
 
StriderX said:
I would say that we should continue to focus on funding education programs in such countries, but it's probably a waste of time. The clock is indeed ticking on the viability of human habitation in a lot of these countries.
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You can lead a horse to water and all that
 
StriderX said:
I would say that we should continue to focus on funding education programs in such countries, but it's probably a waste of time. The clock is indeed ticking on the viability of human habitation in a lot of these countries.

Collapsing habitats tend to destroy bewildered civilisations.
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Recolonise them. Put failed states back under colonial rule again. It's the only way :D
 
d_brennen said:
Maybe our aid efforts shouldn't be so shortsighted then. We can send supplies and manpower, to plan and sustain projects. It just seems nuts to me spraying a money hose at third world nations and expecting progress
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We'd need to replace the governments too in a lot of these places. Systemic corruption would thwart all your efforts. Things like the "Police" demanding bribes every time you want to drive down a road...

But you can't because that's "imperialist". So really, who is going to want to go over there and provide the permanent manpower you talk about, when the officials are all corrupt, the conditions are awful, and you know the second you leave the whole thing will fall apart because the natives can't/won't help themselves.

It's bleak. It's sad also. But these places have been receiving aid since the 1980s, and yet still seem to lurch from disaster to disaster.

I will be honest. If they didn't keep electing corrupt governments, and if they could break away from their tribal tendencies, I'd have a lot more sympathy.

Fun fact for you: some western-educated African doctors still practice voodoo medicine at the weekends. I'm not kidding. When challenged about it, one doctor replied, "Voodoo is our heritage and our culture." So these doctors go from performing science-based medicine during the week, to performing shamanistic rituals at the weekend.

Is it just education that they need? Evidently not.
 
FoxEye said:
It's bleak. It's sad also. But these places have been receiving aid since the 1980s, and yet still seem to lurch from disaster to disaster.
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That's not even one generation. It can take ages to shift cultures and attitudes. Read your history.
 
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