James Bulger documentary

rebel rebel said:
Easily done just need to do a blood test.
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AFAIK you don't generally get charged for failing a drugs test alone... you'd perhaps get charged if you were driving while still under the influence - other charges would involve say possession (I'm not sure that simply having some present in your veins is sufficient) or be related to an intention to supply drugs
 
dowie said:
AFAIK you don't generally get charged for failing a drugs test alone... you'd perhaps get charged if you were driving while still under the influence - other charges would involve say possession (I'm not sure that simply having some present in your veins is sufficient) or be related to an intention to supply drugs
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The point is that he's a convicted murderer out on licence, now spending his days shooting up. This is not ok and should be a violation of the terms of his release.
 
a66as said:
They should both me given the death penalty, unfortunately that wont happen in the British justice system
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Thank goodness for the British justice system, then.

I don’t see how you can support the death penalty and have any belief I. The concept of rehabilitation. Perhaps you don’t.
 
Vonhelmet said:
Thank goodness for the British justice system, then.

I don’t see how you can support the death penalty and have any belief I. The concept of rehabilitation. Perhaps you don’t.
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You believe that these things can be rehabilitated? You live under a rock.

We absolutely should be trying to rehabilitate offenders so that they become productive members of society. Many of them are a product of their environment and are doomed the a life of crime quite early on. Perhaps we should intervene earlier before crimes are committed with "at risk" children.

These two though, once you've committed a crime like they have done, a crime of exceptional brutality, then we have to accept that they have crossed the line and are more akin to a dangerous animal than a civilized human being. You wouldn't keep a vicious dog around.
 
a66as said:
They should both me given the death penalty, unfortunately that wont happen in the British justice system
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Evangelion said:
Personally I think they should have been shot in the back of the head. But unfortunately that's not an option.
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You are both talking about executing 10 year old children. Certainly children that have committed a horrible act, but they were still very young. Basically primary school children.
 
rebel rebel said:
The point is that he's a convicted murderer out on licence, now spending his days shooting up. This is not ok and should be a violation of the terms of his release.
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This is the first time I've heard this.

Personally, from what I've read I think Venables is a master manipulator and probably has been since early childhood. You can hear it in the police interview tapes for the Bulger investigation, he plays a scared little boy, constantly laying the blame on Thompson etc. In hindsight it seems like the media bought that idea and painted venables a weak-willed snivelling accomplice and Thompson as the bully. Now-a-days it appears as if he's possibly trying to manipulate the system built around him. Every time he exposes his identify, they give him a new one, he likely knows the time and money spent on his 'rehabilitation' won't want to be wasted, so I imagine he's probably trying to push the boundaries of what he's capable of and can get away with. However by the sounds of it, he's a violent paedophile child killer. He should be named and kept in prison indefinitely imo.
 
TallPaul1878 said:
You believe that these things can be rehabilitated? You live under a rock.

We absolutely should be trying to rehabilitate offenders so that they become productive members of society. Many of them are a product of their environment and are doomed the a life of crime quite early on. Perhaps we should intervene earlier before crimes are committed with "at risk" children.

These two though, once you've committed a crime like they have done, a crime of exceptional brutality, then we have to accept that they have crossed the line and are more akin to a dangerous animal than a civilized human being. You wouldn't keep a vicious dog around.
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Thompson hasn’t reoffended, though, so your argument is rather torpedoed by your own evidence.
 
Vonhelmet said:
Thompson hasn’t reoffended, though, so your argument is rather torpedoed by your own evidence.
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Well, apart from the suggestions made over the last half dozen posts that he has done.

If his monitoring is so lax that he is free to go out and acquire illegal narcotics at will then I am not particularly confident that his monitoring is sufficient to ensure he is not routinely involved in other, perhaps more serious, criminal activity as well.
 
He's clearly beyond rehabilitation and keeping him locked up is just a drain on resources. One of the few times I'd support capital sentence.
 
a66as said:
They should both me given the death penalty, unfortunately that wont happen in the British justice system
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Good. I don't agree with what these boys did, of course, but death is neither a punishment or a deterrent, for those looking for blood. In terms of what's best for society, rehabilitation is what matters.
 
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