James Bulger documentary

How Venables keeps getting let back out is beyond me. He's obviously sick in the head and needs to be locked away for ever, or even better remove his anonymity and let somebody kill the sick ****.

They're going to keep letting him out until he attacks another kid aren't they?


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RDM said:
You are both talking about executing 10 year old children. Certainly children that have committed a horrible act, but they were still very young. Basically primary school children.
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Yep, I sure am. Doesn't change my position one iota.
 
dirtychinchilla said:
Good. I don't agree with what these boys did, of course, but death is neither a punishment or a deterrent, for those looking for blood. In terms of what's best for society, rehabilitation is what matters.
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It's not a deterrent obviously but come on, there is no better punishment, except being locked away in a room for 23hrs a day maybe.
 
Johno please? said:
It's not a deterrent obviously but come on, there is no better punishment, except being locked away in a room for 23hrs a day maybe.
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Not a very productive use of time of money, though, is it? If you could rehabilitate someone, wouldn’t that be more useful? They could return to being a productive member of society, rather than a massive drain on it.
 
I didn't watch this program but I will over the weekend. But about a year ago I stumbled over a post on reddit that was in relation to this case. In it there were details from the police report that I had never heard before about the violence and what I can only describe as torture that James was put through. It really made me feel different about the case I honestly don't want to repeat the details but it is clear that Venebles and Thompson were utterly utterly warped and at least one of them probably sexually abused.

Venebles is a lost cause IMO and the safest solution is that he is held securely forever. He cannot blame the state for his life in incarceration, it is his parents and grandparents that hold the answers.
 
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As far as I am concerned, and view echoed by his own solicitor, Jon Venables should have his anonymity lifted after he was jailed for possessing more than 1,000 child abuse images. This is one sick, (enter whatever strong word is allowed) and really should never be released.
 
Vonhelmet said:
Not a very productive use of time of money, though, is it? If you could rehabilitate someone, wouldn’t that be more useful? They could return to being a productive member of society, rather than a massive drain on it.
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Like Venables?
 
As far as I am aware Thompson hasn't re-offended since release so unless someone can say with absolute certainty that he has (backed up with proof) I would say he has been rehabilitated, Venables however is a different kettle of fish, this latest case is the second since his release of child pornography and proves without a shadow of a doubt that he simply cannot be rehabilitated and is a clear danger to society and should never ever be released (I think anyone who has given him parole should be investigated as clearly they aren't capable of identifying a threat and thus not doing their job correctly).

Not withstanding the above I do think that both of them at the time for the crimes they committed (try reading James's fathers book for all the details) should've paid the ultimate price for their crimes and both been given the death penalty.
 
"ultimate price" is not death. It's no punishment, you don't know you're dead. Death is more like a blessing to someone whose life looks like it'll be entirely in prison. Personally, I think that loss of liberty is the real ultimate price.
 
In your view it may but in mine it is death, I wouldn't say loss of liberty is enough deterrent as he has re-offended twice since originally released so it's obviously not working on the loss of liberty or rehabilitation front, should he have been "fed to the lions" after murdering James he wouldn't be alive to commit further crimes.
 
XeNoN89 said:
How Venables keeps getting let back out is beyond me.
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For the same reason that it is likely that Thompson is being given free rein to commit breaches of his license without serious consequence too (Albeit perhaps less serious ones).

It is embarrassing enough for the authorities that Vennables has turned out to be utterly irredeemable, if it turned out that they had to admit that Thompson was too. the whole issue of rehabilitation (Especially of serious child criminals) would be totally discredited.

But the problem is that some turds will never shine, no matter how hard you polish them.

Should these two be incarcerated till they die? Should we have executed them "Texas Style" (Waited till they were 18 and then do the job)? Perhaps not, Even James Mother didn't want either (She did however want them to have done at least some time in Adult prison, which they didn't get)

Me, I prefer exile. 6 month course in subsistence crofting and then permitted to live out their lives free, but isolated in a croft provided for them on the south west coast of west Falkland, with perhaps th odd flyby by an RAF patroll just to keep an eye on them and maybe make the occasional supply drop from time to tiome.
 
Maundie said:
In your view it may but in mine it is death, I wouldn't say loss of liberty is enough deterrent as he has re-offended twice since originally released so it's obviously not working on the loss of liberty or rehabilitation front, should he have been "fed to the lions" after murdering James he wouldn't be alive to commit further crimes.
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How can death possibly be a punishment when you don't know that it's happened? One second your brain is firing, the next is not. That's it. There's no punishment, if that's really what you want.
 
We should be executing these exceptionally depraved murderers. Same goes for that John Warboys rapist. Some people are beyond redemption and the crimes they commit are so callous that they have crossed the Rubicon.

Hang them all and the people that make excuses for them too.
 
dirtychinchilla said:
How can death possibly be a punishment when you don't know that it's happened? One second your brain is firing, the next is not. That's it. There's no punishment, if that's really what you want.
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It's called justice. If the public do not feel that justice has been done, and in the case of Jamie Bulger it very much feels that way, then people will demand the death penalty.
 
TallPaul1878 said:
It's called justice. If the public do not feel that justice has been done, and in the case of Jamie Bulger it very much feels that way, then people will demand the death penalty.
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I don't consider it justice. I know it's just my opinion, but I can't see that there's any justice or punishment in death.

The UK does not demand the death penalty, fortunately, and hasn't since 1964.
 
Well I think it depends on who you are. Some people may think of death at that point as a release, while others may think that living to be imprisoned means hope to eventually become free.

What about the thought of a certain death sentence but a long unknown amount of time imprisoned until them - that would drive me insane.

I personally am not in favour of the death sentence in a modern, civilized system. The solution for people like this is difficult though. Who are you to offer someone another chance, someone who has had several chances and thrown them away with no remorse?

I can't help but feel by giving them another chance to commit while knowing the possibility is likely is almost enabling them to commit crime and hurt others.

Then again, what point is there in keeping some locked up forever with no chance of rehabilitation if your end goal is just retribution?

It is not hard to see why many are coming to the conclusion of the death sentence. I certainly don't have an answer for these specific criminals, though as far as general criminals go - i am always in favour of giving people the chance of rehabilitation and reform.

A work camp for people like this offers at least some production to come out of their imprisonment but work camps come with their own ethical issue.

TallPaul1878 said:
Hang them all and the people that make excuses for them too.
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Who is excusing them?

I can see people determining why they have ended up on this path but i dont see anyone excusing them, just condemnation.
 
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