January Transfer Rumours

NokkonWud said:
Whilst both good, Inzaghi isn't in RvN's league, Gilardino is a very promising player, he may be as good as Nistelrooy in 4/5 years, he would learn a lot from Ruud though.
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We'll have to agree to disagree on that one. Imo, Gila is almost there now.
G|mp said:
And so would every other United fan.
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Obviously. Everyone here has a certain bias towards players their club has.
But you cant tell me that if Shevchenko or Henry was offered to United in exchange for RvN you wouldnt take them. :p

Why exactely is it that every RvN fan here clings onto this goals per game ratio thing anyway? Its a little pathetic really...:p
 
BoomAM said:
We'll have to agree to disagree on that one. Imo, Gila is almost there now.

Obviously. Everyone here has a certain bias towards players their club has.
But you cant tell me that if Shevchenko or Henry was offered to United in exchange for RvN you wouldnt take them. :p
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As I mentioned, I would as I feel RvN disrupts the team.

BoomAM said:
Why exactely is it that every RvN fan here clings onto this goals per game ratio thing anyway? Its a little pathetic really...:p
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:D Atleast he does his job :).
 
For what its worth , I think Ruud is a great striker.
Forget mazey runs , long range shots and creating opportunities for others.
He does what hes paid to do - puts the ball in the net.

Id have him in my team anyday.
 
I think Ruud's ratio is about .85 whereas the likes of Sheva, Raul and Henry are around the 0.5 mark. I do however think that ratio doesn't show how reliant Man utd are on RvN for their goals. This season he only scored a goal and they went out of the CL, teams R.Madrid do have other players who chip and with Milan they aren't known to be a high scoring teams. Man utd used to batter teams in the qualifying stages of the CL and RvN's record shows that. ~22% of Raul's goals have come in the knock out phase, ~33% of Sheva's have and when you look at RvN 9% of his have. Those 3 players have all played in their fair share of knock out games. Sheva really is known to score in the crunch games, whenever a big game comes for Milan he is the one they look to and he rarely lets them down.

This doesn't in anyway put down RvN because his scoring record is incredible. I think the reason some people don't rate him is because he is very reliant on people creating chances for him so he can put them away. When Man utd's playmakers go through a bad spell Ruud's bad spell seems to come at the same time. Players like Henry, Sheva and Raul have shown they don't always need quality service, especially Henry as many of his goals are created by himself. As an Arsenal fan I'd admit many games he has won himself with his brilliance. I don't think Henry can do what RvN does which is to get himself into good positions using clever runs to tap in goals but on the other hand Ruud isn't able to do what Henry does.
 
BoomAM said:
Why exactely is it that every RvN fan here clings onto this goals per game ratio thing anyway? Its a little pathetic really...:p
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I hope you aren't calling me a fan of old horsey boy. :p
 
It's easy to underestimate what RvN does,cos he just seems to tap in so many close range goals.But if it was so easy to get goals like that every team would have a player that could do it,and they plainly don't.I don't like him,but thats down to him being good,and playing for Man U :)
 
How about moving the RvN and walcott discussions to another thread. I keep thinking theres some more transfer gossip but no its more discussion on RvN :o

Back on topic, two stories that are interesting i think

Stubbs to resign for Everton and Maxi Lopez for West Ham
 
mcdermos said:
Stubbs to resign for Everton and Maxi Lopez for West Ham
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West Ham would be onto a right winner with Lopez looks quality.

Another rummour is Matt Mills (England u19 Center half) going to Man City byt the end of the day, another of saints excellent prospects on the move.
 
as if how much a player is worth means anything to chelsea! you thing drogba was worth 27m(or whatever it was).
This is the chelsea transfer process.
hmmm He is high profile, start at 15m and work your way upto 70m until they get told not for sale, or the player says I dont want to play for you.

Maxi lopez does look a quality player!
 
The one thing with the Walcott deal that doesn't sit right with me is that Arsenal anren't really getting anything of substance for their money. If Walcott can't sign a professional contract then at best they are buying a "pre-contract agreement" which is legally worthless. They could for example give Southampton the 5m or whatever up front and then in a couple of months time when Walcott turns 17 he can wander off and sign-up with anyone he wants just like he can now.

I can't see how any club can justify spending the kind of money that has been mentioned on a deal which is on such shaky legal ground.

What i'd expect to happen is for Walcott to stay with Southampton for the time being, sign a pro contract in March and THEN be sold to Arsenal for the big bucks in the summer.
 
mcdermos said:
Stubbs to resign for Everton
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I'm happy enough with that. He was excellent last season, and as an Evertonian he gives his all every single game. I can't imagine the fee being much, if anything either, so he'll do until the end of the season at least.
 
I'd expect the contract is fairly water tight with Walcott or his family meaning he can't walk away, and if he did he would have to pay x amount. Mr Dein isn't stupid you know ;)
 
Gooner14 said:
I'd expect the contract is fairly water tight with Walcott or his family meaning he can't walk away, and if he did he would have to pay x amount. Mr Dein isn't stupid you know ;)
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But that's my point. If it were possible to make such a contract watertight then there would be no need for pre-contract agreements in the first place. Once he comes of age his family can't legally control him so it's not as if his dad can sign a bit of paper saying that he'll play for 'X' team.

As an under 17 player there is no way that he can legally be obliged to commit his future to any club.
 
I have no idea, but I can't see a man of David Dein's experience spend £5m on a player who could walk away at any given time, Peter Kenyon perhaps...
 
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