January Transfer Rumours

BoomAM said:
That must be in the League, because in Europe Sheva & Raul are far ahead of RvN.
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I remember Sky doing a piece on RvN and they were also saying how he had the best strike rate in the history of the CL.

I can only imagine that the likes of Sheva and Raul have simply a worse ratio, even though they've scored more goals.
 
he does his cl scoring rate is phenomonal something ridiculous like 38 goals in 40 games (haven't checked).
I think Raul has scored about 9 or 10 more but of course he's played a lot more games.
 
Gilly said:
I remember Sky doing a piece on RvN and they were also saying how he had the best strike rate in the history of the CL.

I can only imagine that the likes of Sheva and Raul have simply a worse ratio, even though they've scored more goals.
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How long ago was that?
I'd be intreagued to see if anyone can pull up the latest listings for that.
With Shevas recent goal scoring bonanza, and RvN's lack of scoring lately, i'd be interested to see how the standing are now.
 
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Hmm. a lot has changed since then.
I'll see if i can find the current 'tables' when i get in from work tonight.
 
DarthYoda said:
Take him out of the UTD side and put him in an average side and he would show that he is in fact a poacher. He is a cheat and he only scores goals because he has a great team around him. Stick any striker in the world in the UTD team, get him to stand in the 6 yard box for the whoe game and he would get 20 goals a season.
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I don't deny he is a cheat, I dont' know a Man Utd fan who doesn't condemn his cheating either, we all go ape when we go to games. The problem is, Nistelrooy has converted a phenomenal amount of goals for EVERY team he has played for, so to say he only scores goals in a good team is nonsense. He is premierships top scorer this season and Man Utd have been woeful.

DarthYoda said:
when was the last time you saw him strike a ball with anything other than the inside of his right boot.
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More times than I have seen Henry score with his head. Would I call Henry poor? Not a chance. He is right footed, should he start scoring with his left 'for the challenge' ?

DarthYoda said:
He is a good player, i am not denying that but there are a lot better strikers out there and to put him in the same class as Shevchenko is just plain wrong!
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Not at all. For a start, he scores more goals. He is a better finisher and goal scorer, but Shevchenko (Like Henry) is a much more complete finisher.
 
BoomAM said:
How long ago was that?
I'd be intreagued to see if anyone can pull up the latest listings for that.
With Shevas recent goal scoring bonanza, and RvN's lack of scoring lately, i'd be interested to see how the standing are now.
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As of last seasons Final (L'Pool vs AC Milan).
It is down to Ratio. Nistelrooy was 37 in 40 last time I checked. He has since scored this season.
 
BoomAM said:
My point exactely.
He hasnt been playing. Sheva has. And has scored. a lot.
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I don't know why you are complaining! You may be getting him alongside Shevchenko. Thats just plain scary!

Sheva would have to start averaging a lot more goals per game to catch up, though, in a toss up I would definitely take Shevchenko.
 
BoomAM said:
My point exactely.
He hasnt been playing. Sheva has. And has scored. a lot.
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But given that his ratio wasn't as good and RvN's hasn't got any worse I don't really know what you're arguing given that you haven't gone and got any figures :/
 
DarthYoda said:
Take him out of the UTD side and put him in an average side and he would show that he is in fact a poacher. He is a cheat and he only scores goals because he has a great team around him. Stick any striker in the world in the UTD team, get him to stand in the 6 yard box for the whoe game and he would get 20 goals a season.

Some may say he has great positional ability but how many goals has he scored form outside the box? not many! and when was the last time you saw him strike a ball with anything other than the inside of his right boot.

He is a good player, i am not denying that but there are a lot better strikers out there and to put him in the same class as Shevchenko is just plain wrong!
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The United team has been average at best this season, RVN was the first to admit that his goalscoring has dropped since Beckham left which prompted a fall out with Ferguson and he was then dropped from the next United game despite being fully fit. He has had to work more for some of the goals this season, he doesn't have the support he needs behind him in midfield. He is an out and out box striker. I really don't care if he can score outside the box, most of his positional play is from inside the box, he doesn't play deep like Henry can and doesn't find himself outside the box often enough to score. At the end of the day, a goal is a goal, I don't care where it came from.

His goalscoring ratio is superb, but like many have said he has not played as many games. Thats a valid point. There are better strikers throughout Europe, but Ferguson had always had a poacher up front with a more creative forward alongside him. He gets the job done. Enough said. If I had a choice of strikers to play up front for United, it would be Henry and Rooney. :p
 
NokkonWud said:
I don't know why you are complaining! You may be getting him alongside Shevchenko. Thats just plain scary!
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I cant see it happening.
Bad move for Milan imo. We dont need another poacher. We have king poacher already in Inzaghi. And Gila, while only young, imo, is almost as good as RvN now, and can only get better.

Gilly said:
I don't really know what you're arguing given that you haven't gone and got any figures :/
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Please read my posts Gilly. It only causes confusion & arguments when we both dont read each others posts.
I said i'll look for them when i get in from work later.
 
BoomAM said:
I cant see it happening.
Bad move for Milan imo. We dont need another poacher. We have king poacher already in Inzaghi. And Gila, while only young, imo, is almost as good as RvN now, and can only get better.
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Whilst both good, Inzaghi isn't in RvN's league, Gilardino is a very promising player, he may be as good as Nistelrooy in 4/5 years, he would learn a lot from Ruud though.
 
andi said:
Good deal for Fulham..
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This is the best transfer window in ages. Star players still intact, three good signings, almost everyone back from injury, and 6 points out of 6.

Top 10 here we come.
 
Wiggis said:
Take him out of the UTD side and put him in an average side and he would show that he is in fact a poacher. He is a cheat and he only scores goals because he has a great team around him. Stick any striker in the world in the UTD team, get him to stand in the 6 yard box for the whoe game and he would get 20 goals a season.
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He was scoring plenty in Europe long before he joined MU.
 
BoomAM said:
My point exactely.
He hasnt been playing. Sheva has. And has scored. a lot.
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If he hasn't been playing, it means his ratio can't have got any worse - i.e. it is still phenomanal.

Whereas Shevchenko would probably need to have scored around 20 in the CL this season to have raised his ratio to that level (since he has played so many games in his career). He's only scored 6, in (presumably) about 6 matches, meaning his average will only have sneaked up slightly. Ruud has something ridiculous like >0.9 as a ratio meaning it's virtually impossible for the likes of Raul and Sheva to catch him unless they score well in excess of a goal a game on average.
 
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