Japanese Grand Prix 2011, Suzuka Circuit - Race 15/19

He's only 32 points behind - for drivers competing at the sharp end of the grid, that can be turned around in just a couple of races.

I would agree with you, but only if the chasing driver was the in-form driver, however, this is not the case. Hamilton is in atrocious form unable to complete a single race distance or qualifying session without getting involved in collisions and controversy.

The way Button is driving, he is now more likely to outscore Hamilton (than vice-versa) in the remaining 4 races.

The truth is that Button, at age of 31 is actually improving. This doesn't often happen, but it does occasionally occur. Hamilton on the other hand seems to be going in the opposite direction. He is not acknowledging the problem with regards to collisions/errors and until this happens (or he is allowed to time trial on an empty track), I can't see what will change.

Certainly, Button is not (normally) as fast as Hamilton, but across a full race weekend, Button is currently performing better in virtually all departments.

The one area where Hamilton was invincible (ie. qualifying), no longer appears to be the case, whereby, he is even making errors during qualifying (as we saw 2 days ago).

Even Coulthard alluded to the fact that drivers can go out of form, but they don't usually stay out of form for as long Hamilton has, so this is quite strange. In all honesty, I've never seen a top driver go out of form in the same way that Hamilton has.

Perhaps JRS might be able to dig up examples of drivers losing form for long durations and then returning back to their best?
 
Like I said, I agree it's not looking good for him but if there was any driver on the grid you wouldn't want to bet against pulling off such a comeback, it would be Hamilton.

I just think with 4 races (and so essentially 100 points up for grabs) it's too soon to declare his season is over entirely.
 
Perhaps JRS might be able to dig up examples of drivers losing form for long durations and then returning back to their best?

I suppose the most recent example would be Kimi in '09. Disinterested for the early part of the year when the car sucked, once Massa was sidelined post-Hungary he came back swinging and won at Spa. Maybe it was down to the car improving, maybe it was down to the team rallying around him, maybe he just woke up. Who knows?
 
Just watched the gp on iplayer, awesome race :) Vettel has deserved the championship (despite not being all that fun about it) but at least Button gave it a good push too!

Love Suzuka, always forget they start at 2pm local time so the last 20 laps look AMAZING with the sun setting on the cars like that. Even with the trees coming up to 130R which is really nice.
 
In the direction of his line...

Some people here are determined to turn Hamilton into this "evil person", even if it makes themselves look silly.

It was a racing incident and nothing more.

Indeed

Well done Button, great drive.

What happened to Lewis was not different to the start with Vettel and Button, but Lewis was taking his line unlike Vettel.

Massa is a whiney beach :)

Gratz Vettel on a well deserved second title.
 
Today again showed that for me Vettel isn't even the 3rd fastest/best driver on the grid. He car was maybe not the outright fastest today and he got beat by Alonso in inferior equipment and Button who maybe had a fairly equal car with him.

I take nothing away from Vettel in getting he job done with the superior equipment he's had this year but if the other 2 or 3 top drivers get a car of similar pace they will beat him over a race distance.
 
Today again showed that for me Vettel isn't even the 3rd fastest/best driver on the grid. He car was maybe not the outright fastest today and he got beat by Alonso in inferior equipment and Button who maybe had a fairly equal car with him.

I take nothing away from Vettel in getting he job done with the superior equipment he's had this year but if the other 2 or 3 top drivers get a car of similar pace they will beat him over a race distance.

I suspect Vettel was taking a more cautious approach today. I am not expecting that for the remaining races though :D

Vettel and RB have gotten things just right this year. No idea what Webber has been doing all season?!?

Next year will be interesting. Can RB keep this up?
 
I would agree with you, but only if the chasing driver was the in-form driver, however, this is not the case. Hamilton is in atrocious form unable to complete a single race distance or qualifying session without getting involved in collisions and controversy.

The way Button is driving, he is now more likely to outscore Hamilton (than vice-versa) in the remaining 4 races.

The truth is that Button, at age of 31 is actually improving. This doesn't often happen, but it does occasionally occur. Hamilton on the other hand seems to be going in the opposite direction. He is not acknowledging the problem with regards to collisions/errors and until this happens (or he is allowed to time trial on an empty track), I can't see what will change.

Certainly, Button is not (normally) as fast as Hamilton, but across a full race weekend, Button is currently performing better in virtually all departments.

The one area where Hamilton was invincible (ie. qualifying), no longer appears to be the case, whereby, he is even making errors during qualifying (as we saw 2 days ago).

Even Coulthard alluded to the fact that drivers can go out of form, but they don't usually stay out of form for as long Hamilton has, so this is quite strange. In all honesty, I've never seen a top driver go out of form in the same way that Hamilton has.

Perhaps JRS might be able to dig up examples of drivers losing form for long durations and then returning back to their best?

yet Button today lost out at the start to Hamilton and only got back past him due to a puncture....... is that more great driving by Button?

Button is NOT improving, the Mclaren is VASTLY more competitive with the Red Bull in the second half of this season that doesn't make Button an improving driver.

Red Bull's have been thrashing their tyres all year, you just have to watch Webber following people around this season to see him sliding around like a crazy guy coming out of corners. Mclaren were better on tyres this season and now the car is actually almost bang on as fast as the Red Bull.

Then you have things like, Button only got past Schumacher because Hamilton was fighting him, he only caught Hamilton because he was held up by Schumacher and the only reason both guys got passed him so easily is his tyres gave up pretty much the lap before. Had he not put hamilton on the grass, thats another race Button wouldn't have finished ahead of him.

Hamilton has no zero luck and Button has had it all, the whole turtle takes it slow and steady to win races has SOME merit, but quite simply if the guys infront of him weren't fighting, if Hamilton wasn't slowing cars down(you could see VERY easily that Hamilton AND Schumachers times improved drastically when not racing each other. Defending costs cars time, its been several races where Hamilton has been the ENTIRE reason Button has been involved at all.

Had Hamilton not been fighting, and just cruised around, Button wouldn't have done nearly as well, and Hamilton would have done better, overall Mclaren would be doing worse.

Should we point out that, after having to do very little today except be in the fastest car, without a puncture and without getting stuck behind people due to the puncture, that he went through his second set of soft tyres faster than Hamilton did, and was rarely fighting or pushing close behind people which wears out your tyres faster.

Button is doing well, but at this stage of the season a whole bunch of his points are directly down to Hamilton, and he's in the fastest car(though maybe a touch underfueled today. Had we not had a safety car Alonso would likely have won the race(both saving Button tyres and fuel. There are years everything goes for you, and years everything goes against you. Hamilton has had at least 3 penalties cost him points iirc that should never ever have been given.

I mean the Vettel thing was under investigation but probably not given because it happened at the start, while from what I recall, Schumi actually putting hamilton into the grass in a far more dangerous situation didn't even get investigated.
 
yet Button today lost out at the start to Hamilton and only got back past him due to a puncture....... is that more great driving by Button?

Button is NOT improving, the Mclaren is VASTLY more competitive with the Red Bull in the second half of this season that doesn't make Button an improving driver.

Red Bull's have been thrashing their tyres all year, you just have to watch Webber following people around this season to see him sliding around like a crazy guy coming out of corners. Mclaren were better on tyres this season and now the car is actually almost bang on as fast as the Red Bull.

Then you have things like, Button only got past Schumacher because Hamilton was fighting him, he only caught Hamilton because he was held up by Schumacher and the only reason both guys got passed him so easily is his tyres gave up pretty much the lap before. Had he not put hamilton on the grass, thats another race Button wouldn't have finished ahead of him.

Hamilton has no zero luck and Button has had it all, the whole turtle takes it slow and steady to win races has SOME merit, but quite simply if the guys infront of him weren't fighting, if Hamilton wasn't slowing cars down(you could see VERY easily that Hamilton AND Schumachers times improved drastically when not racing each other. Defending costs cars time, its been several races where Hamilton has been the ENTIRE reason Button has been involved at all.

Had Hamilton not been fighting, and just cruised around, Button wouldn't have done nearly as well, and Hamilton would have done better, overall Mclaren would be doing worse.

Should we point out that, after having to do very little today except be in the fastest car, without a puncture and without getting stuck behind people due to the puncture, that he went through his second set of soft tyres faster than Hamilton did, and was rarely fighting or pushing close behind people which wears out your tyres faster.

Button is doing well, but at this stage of the season a whole bunch of his points are directly down to Hamilton, and he's in the fastest car(though maybe a touch underfueled today. Had we not had a safety car Alonso would likely have won the race(both saving Button tyres and fuel. There are years everything goes for you, and years everything goes against you. Hamilton has had at least 3 penalties cost him points iirc that should never ever have been given.

I mean the Vettel thing was under investigation but probably not given because it happened at the start, while from what I recall, Schumi actually putting hamilton into the grass in a far more dangerous situation didn't even get investigated.

Don't agree at all, bit of a Hamilton fanboi? JB has outscored HAM easily recently, been better racing and even been outqualifying him. Hamilton is struggling because JB is putting pressure on him, he can't handle it and is struggling...
 
Don't agree at all, bit of a Hamilton fanboi? JB has outscored HAM easily recently, been better racing and even been outqualifying him. Hamilton is struggling because JB is putting pressure on him, he can't handle it and is struggling...

Complete and utter rubbish!!!
 
No 90% of his races this year have been runined either by the stewards or other drivers. Have you even watched all the races this year as it appears not.
 
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Think what you want, the other drivers have exactly the same problems, they haven't all visited the stewards, they also get penalties...dream on kid, think what you want, it's there in black and white. JB is 32 points ahead so far, 3 wins to Ham's 2 and so far (it could change) he's driving better. So what if other drivers have ruined his race, that's the point of racing, you have to beat them. He's not beating his teammate who he was supposed to beat easily...
 
Kid?
I never said Button was a bad driver and Mclaren never employed Button to be a 2nd driver. I truly dont think you have watched many if any of the grandprixs this year. I have watched every gradprix and think this year has been one of the best seasons in a long time. Just wish it was abit closer in points.
 
Kid, it's a phrase like mate or bro or whatever...
I'm not anti hamilton, I just believe JB is doing a better job, and can't believe you honestly feel it's not been of his own doing that he's behind. If you really believe that Hamilton has had all the bad luck and he's driving as well as he has in previous years then good on you...you will probably me in a very small minority though as if you look around, most people believe that for whatever reason JB is doing the better job.
 
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