Japanese Grand Prix 2015, Suzuka - Race 14/19

20billion profit, so fines could easily wipe out 5years of profits. They can't then afford to throw money away at f1, especially as time and again its been shown to take about 3 years to come a team

Again, F1 isn't a play toy, this isn't a billionaire buying a football club for kicks and willing to sink billions into winning. If VW get into F1 it's because they see profit and value from the marketing... this continues to be true regardless of fines and they have more than enough money to cover it. They have a 200billion revenue and probably with team and engine development combined wouldn't be spending more than half a billion.

It's not about years of profit being wiped out, it's about increasing those profits. Companies who feel there is a way to increase profits won't ignore it because they have fines, if anything they will feel the need to improve profits to maintain the companies health in the face of big fines.

As I also suggested, the marketing value of getting behind efficient engines trying to harvest all energy possible is exactly the image they would want to project in the wake of a scandal centred around cars that are bad for the environment.
 
Jenson's playing it cool and choosing his words, but he might as well be off. Doesn't have any fight and when he does, well.. to quote Ron: "It's easier to make a reliable car fast, than a fast car reliable". Which is why the MP4-30 is both slow and unreliable.

I agree with drunkenmaster, it would be a win-win for them in terms of business to have their engine at the front. Imagine them going into a 2017 season with six/eight of the fastest cars on the grid all carrying the Ferrari engine and brand. Of course, they still might not but who knows?
 
Another DM post by DM which makes no sense. 199/200 you don't come into f1 and do well for at least 3 years.
So it isn't going to help them out of this crysis. They come in buy RBR and lose with Renault power, not even their own.
Or they come in and lose like Honda.

Neither is good PR or increases profit.
 
Another DM post by DM which makes no sense. 199/200 you don't come into f1 and do well for at least 3 years.
So it isn't going to help them out of this crysis. They come in buy RBR and lose with Renault power, not even their own.
Or they come in and lose like Honda.

Neither is good PR or increases profit.

None of that is what VW are thinking about, I didn't say it would help them out of a crisis, RBR won't have Renault power next year.

Try and read what I'm saying rather than anything else. When they had the idea to join F1 it's because they see it as having the potential to increase future profits. At some stage they will decide they believe it will increase profits through marketing increasing sales, or they decide it won't. Fines don't change if F1 will increases it's value or not, thus a fine won't change their decision.

I didn't mention it as a short term fix. The only things anyone has said is RBR going Ferrari or potentially Merc, and VW bringing an engine in 2018 at the earliest. They can if announcing they are coming to F1 in 2018 get their name on a car as a sponsor from next season maybe and they can announce that they are investing in developing cleaner more efficient engines straight away which in their current situation would be pretty good from a PR stand point.

AS for not doing well when you join F1, mostly nonsense. It depends entirely on the circumstances. If you take over Manor, with maybe a 80-90mil budget, no staff, crap chassis, no huge build up of R&D data over the years, not good facilities, you won't compete next year.

If you went and brought Merc's facilities and team out from under them tomorrow, there is entirely no reason a 'new' team using the current Merc teams car, personnel and facilities can't win a race a day later and continue just as normal.

3 years is nonsense without talking about the situation the team you are buying is in. Lotus are strapped for cash, have an under developed car prone to reliability issues. Taking over that team and building it into a fully competitive 250-350mil a year budget full works team would take a few years. Buying Red Bull who already run that kind of budget wouldn't take a few years to make competitive.

Mclaren made dire cars for the past three years, made every possible wrong decision with Honda and rushing them into the sport, brought in the wrong team boss and the wrong guy above him. Mercedes took over a depleted Brawn team which had dropped it's budget. They spent 3 years building the team from a 80mil for the year budget back to a 300mil a year team, that takes time. Red Bull are not these teams, they have a proven winning car designer, they have a proven winning team boss, they have proven winning team personnel, facilities, years of R&D data. If Red Bull changed their name to Potato Farts tomorrow, would the team suddenly be worse on Sunday as a result? Taking over a fully fledged team in it's prime is a completely different prospect to taking over a budget team, a struggling team or a recently massive reduced team.
 
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I'm calling it now, Alonso moves to Renault, wins another 2 WDC before leaving F1... Pastor finds his form and becomes the ultimate number 2 driver even willing to use his car as a 200 mph bomb if need be, the Renault engine it turns out is a peach it's just all the teams got it wrong :p
 
I'm calling it now, Alonso moves to Renault, wins another 2 WDC before leaving F1... Pastor finds his form and becomes the ultimate number 2 driver even willing to use his car as a 200 mph bomb if need be, the Renault engine it turns out is a peach it's just all the teams got it wrong :p

Brilliant
 
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