JD Vance not allowed in English Pub After Staff Mutiny

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Caracus2k said:
The 1st amendment undeniably grants Amercans far more freedom to speak their minds, without government interference, than is increasingly the case in the UK.
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They've got a funny way of showing it - what with the increasingly draconian interference in what the press reports and what questions they can ask of elected representatives, the disappearing of targeted people off the street for articles they've written in the past, denying entry to / deporting people for posts on social media, withholding permissions from corporate entities to operate unless they fire specific comedians / journalists etc and, oh yeah, firing civil servants who won't pledge fealty to their orange god-king.

That's the thing with authoritarians - they say they want free speech but what they actually mean is they want free speech for them, not you. At this exact point in time, how much value does the 1st amendment have?

As to this case, the employer has a simple choice - fire all of the staff (and still be unable to serve him on the night in question) and suffer the reputational damage that would follow from dismissing what I gather are locals, or exercise their right as a private business to refuse service and not risk upsetting the customers that they depend on the other 364 days of the year.
 
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[HB]Rugrat said:
As to this case, the employer has a simple choice - fire all of the staff (and still be unable to serve him on the night in question) and suffer the reputational damage that would follow from dismissing what I gather are locals, or exercise their right as a private business to refuse service and not risk upsetting the customers that they depend on the other 364 days of the year.
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And offer a discrete apology for any embarrassing press to the Vances.
 
hornetstinger said:
So deporting a child to another country that has cancer is totally ok?

I presume if your family gets arrested on suspicion of a crime you're ok with removal of due process, and fine with police bruality if the cop beats your kid until they're unalived. Remember he's a criminal.
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I have an immediate family member who has been imprisoned many times, he deserves any and all punishment that comes his way.
 
Lord-Jaffa said:
More people are arrested here for speach related incidents here than in Russia.
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Something tells me the Russian police services and government are not releasing accurate statistics in the first place. Furthermore, it suggests that the police in the UK take threats and incitement of violence more seriously than they do in Russia.

Lord-Jaffa said:
Even our allies are raising their warning levels for travel advice to the UK, something that is a deeply concerning problem.
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Funnily enough I've seen several people repeating this all over the place recently, presumably someone on Twitter/TikTok/YouTube/GB News said it first. Yet having checked a few different countries' travel advisory websites for the UK using the Wayback Machine, they've had the UK at the same heightened warning level for many years due to the ongoing threat of terrorism in Europe. There's certainly no mention on any of the pages I visited that advise not to travel to the UK because your tweets might get you arrested.
 
Lord-Jaffa said:
I have an immediate family member who has been imprisoned many times, he deserves any and all punishment that comes his way.
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Go tell these kids they should be deported to a concentration camp

"Despite being American citizens, three children — a 4-year-old boy with Stage 4 kidney cancer, his 7-year-old sister and a 2-year-old girl — were swept up along with their families by immigration authorities in Louisiana and quickly sent to Honduras, according to a lawsuit filed on behalf of the families."

And your own kids too even if they have terminal cancer .

Dump em in a cage

Ok?
 
TheVoice said:
Something tells me the Russian police services and government are not releasing accurate statistics in the first place. Furthermore, it suggests that the police in the UK take threats and incitement of violence more seriously than they do in Russia.


Funnily enough I've seen several people repeating this all over the place recently, presumably someone on Twitter/TikTok/YouTube/GB News said it first. Yet having checked a few different countries' travel advisory websites for the UK using the Wayback Machine, they've had the UK at the same heightened warning level for many years due to the ongoing threat of terrorism in Europe. There's certainly no mention on any of the pages I visited that advise not to travel to the UK because your tweets might get you arrested.
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High Terorrism alert level, Riots and both violent and petty crime are some of the drivers behind the increase in warning levels.

In the case of Australia:

Level 1 is similar risks to Australia, the raise to level 2 for the UK is:

Level 2, issued to the UK, “may reflect a weak law-and-order system, where violent crime is common,” explains the website, adding that the country “may lack some key public services, such as a responsive police force.”

Other nations who issued similar warnings cite knife crime, theft etc

www.express.co.uk

France, Canada, Mexico and Australia issue extraordinary warnings over UK travel

The UK is increasingly perceived as a dangerous place for travel, forcing some foreign governments to raise their risk assessments.
www.express.co.uk www.express.co.uk
www.travelandtourworld.com

UK Joins Brazil, Sweden, Italy, China, and More as Canada Issues New Travel Advisory for Safety Concerns Worldwide - Travel And Tour World

UK Joins Brazil, Sweden, Italy, China, and More as Canada Issues New Travel Advisory for Safety Concerns Worldwide due to escalating risks including terrorism, violent crime, political instability, and the potential for arbitrary enforcement of local laws.
www.travelandtourworld.com www.travelandtourworld.com

Just part and parcel of living in a big city though. The UK is a prime example of the broken window theory in action.
 
Vonhelmet said:
That doesn’t really answer the question that was asked…
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Because I'm not going to entertain whataboutism and nonsense statements based on pure emotion and a deflection from a ridiculous comparison that he made originally.

Instead i'll ask you a question. Do you believe the President is aware of every single interaction and decision that law enforcement makes in the US on a daily basis? If the answer is no, then why even reply in the first place.
 
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Lord-Jaffa said:
Because I'm not going to entertain whataboutism and nonsense statements based on pure emotion and a deflection from a ridiculous comparison that he made originally.

Instead i'll ask you a question. Do you believe the President is aware of every single interaction and decision that law enforcement makes in the US on a daily basis? If the answer is no, then why even reply in the first place.
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He literally doesn't want to hold courts cases. He wants to throw out due process.

So you're fine if your own kids are thrown into a prison. Good to know
 
Funnily enough Canada was one of the countries I checked - they've had us at the same alert level for many years. So has the US.

I've just checked Australia and they appear to have had us at the same alert level since early 2022.

Lord-Jaffa said:
Level 2, issued to the UK, “may reflect a weak law-and-order system, where violent crime is common,” explains the website, adding that the country “may lack some key public services, such as a responsive police force.”
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Those quotes don't appear anywhere on the page for the UK:
 
TheVoice said:
Funnily enough Canada was one of the countries I checked - they've had us at the same alert level for many years. So has the US.

I've just checked Australia and they appear to have had us at the same alert level since early 2022.


Those quotes don't appear anywhere on the page for the UK:
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Check the safety section for the differences in highlighted issues, there are clear differences between the two referencing significant increase in crime. The quotes are from the articles and also exist here:


If you have an issue with the articles take it up with the publishers, there are multiple other sources.

Vonhelmet said:
Here’s a very long article about why this is cobblers: https://monkdebunks.substack.com/p/no-foreign-governments-havent-just
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Article breaks down a few comments in when it fails to highlight that there are clear differences on highlighted safety risks.

Quote from the article

"So, none of these warnings are new. Nor is crime the reason for the Level 2 warning."

Yet fails to mention the addition of:

  • Violent crimes such as muggings, knife crime and sexual assaults occur across the UK.
  • Other crimes such as passport theft, pickpocketing, mobile phone and bag snatching, and muggings are common, particularly in summer. Take care to protect your belongings on public transport, in crowded tourist areas and at landmarks.
Amazing substack, well worth a read, makes everything clear as mud. The misleading use of ONS stats was a nice touch. Homicides is lowest rate since 2014!!!! When it was 2 less and every other year is higher.

I notice she stays well clear of mentioning sexual violence though.
 
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hornetstinger said:
He literally doesn't want to hold courts cases. He wants to throw out due process.

So you're fine if your own kids are thrown into a prison. Good to know
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Expedited removal was introduced by the Democrats in 1996, they arrested half a million people using it in 1997.

Were you crying about it then or do you only care cos Trump?
 
Lord-Jaffa said:
Expedited removal was introduced by the Democrats in 1996, they arrested half a million people using it in 1997.

Were you crying about it then or do you only care cos Trump?
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Were they deported without due process rights, were they sent to a concentration camp?

Or do you like it because trump is your idol?
 
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