Aside from the whole whole Burkha and Muslim thing, another thing about religion that really grinds my gears is Sikh's who can ride motorcycles without the legally required helmet that I have to buy and wear. I don't give a **** about their religious convictions, if you're going to ride a bike on the roads in this Country then you should have to abide by the laws of land and not have a little get out clause inserted due to some fairy story written down way back in the mists of time.
Jedi ejected from Tesco for wearing hood
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Soldato
well, if they crash they'll be wishing they're religion permitted helmets as their brains spill over the asphalt
or you'd think someone would've invented a helmet to go over religious headgear hehe
As vonhelmet has already mentioned, Jedism is comparable to Scientology in that they are (at least partially) based on fictional writings. I could quite easily place them together.
I agree, but I can't call a faith based on the characters in a children's film a religion, not by a long shot.
Man of Honour
It is a bit of a strange exemption but it isn't a religious belief or custom that is likely to negatively impact on anyone other than the believer since they are the one who bears all the risk in the situation.
I'm not sure how you're meant to describe the religion (I'll ignore whether it is official or not for the moment) but instinctively I think it would have two "i"s to it to create "Jediism" so that you get the correct sound when pronounced. Or am I thinking too much into this?
You are - but my grammar is fairly rubbish and you are right
(I seem to keep on missing out words in sentences recently
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Yet everyone else is forced to do it, even though they are also the ones who bear all the risk in the situation. Doesn't really make sense. You also have religion being exempted from gender and sexual discrimination laws. Could a far right "religion" get exemption from racial discrimination laws do you think? How does a religion go about getting "official recognition"? Sorry for the brain dump, just a bunch of thoughts dropping in my head today.
Man of Honour
If it was true that he was "horribly deluded", then the case for him being a member of a religion is closed and he really can join the ranks of the religious without fear of persecution from Tesco's .
He needs a psychiatrist,
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Man of Honour
I'd agree it is a strange exemption but it's one that I struggle to get all that worked up about because as I say it only affects the believer. Sikhism is one of the religions where a turban is mandatory I believe so there is at least a religious and historical reason as well as a precedent in the form of law backing it up.
I'm not sure about the hypothetical far right "religion", my initial suspicions are veering towards not as it would contravene existing anti-discrimination laws so it probably could not be introduced. The other problems might be in getting enough of a groundswell of popularity and yet not being seen as an attempt at populism (and/or fictional) as Jediism apparantly was.
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No can do I'm afraid, Andy Garcia is lost to me.
Think it officially became a religion after one of the census.
Strange to think that tesco sell chickens rapped in plastic, yet hugh couldn't bring a real one in. They also sell jedis rapped in plastic, but they won't let a real one in
Strange to think that tesco sell chickens rapped in plastic, yet hugh couldn't bring a real one in. They also sell jedis rapped in plastic, but they won't let a real one in
We cannot start judging what is a religion and what isn't simply based on if it sounds like a good one or not.
If we are to have any criteria it would simply be to record religions when they have enough followers.... or is that wrong too?
What if there's only one Zorastrian believer in the UK. Should they not be allowed to practice because there's only one?
What if someone says "Actually the Egyptians had it right. I believe in Ra".
There's grey areas everywhere, and nobody is in a position to judge what's a religion and what isn't.
Personally I think they're all as ludicrous as each other. I don't make anything public of it, and I feel it would be rude to say to a Christian that I think they're a gullible fool. Equally I would expect that they do not tell me I'm a sinner and going to hell. Our relative freedom of speech should allow it - although the government has at least partially banned expressing a negative opinion of a religion.
If we are to have any criteria it would simply be to record religions when they have enough followers.... or is that wrong too?
What if there's only one Zorastrian believer in the UK. Should they not be allowed to practice because there's only one?
What if someone says "Actually the Egyptians had it right. I believe in Ra".
There's grey areas everywhere, and nobody is in a position to judge what's a religion and what isn't.
Personally I think they're all as ludicrous as each other. I don't make anything public of it, and I feel it would be rude to say to a Christian that I think they're a gullible fool. Equally I would expect that they do not tell me I'm a sinner and going to hell. Our relative freedom of speech should allow it - although the government has at least partially banned expressing a negative opinion of a religion.
To be honest I don't get worked up about it, I just find it to be a bit odd. Speaking as a biker I would rather wear a helmet anyway.
Jediism was never a real religion anyway, the whole "if it gets enough people on the census" was a hoax and never really true. But it does seem that religion is exempt from the laws regarding discrimination due to gender and sexual orientation so if a genuine religion developed that had a racist component would that also be allowed to discriminate? If not, why not?
Personally I would say that if you want to retain charitable status and any tax exemptions from being a religion then you need to comply fully with all laws. But that is primarily just for giggles.
Man of Honour
Sorry, I didn't think you were getting worked up about it, the comment was partly because Azagoth said that it really grinds his gears and I can't imagine why it is so worthy of ire. I'm pretty sure on a motorbike I'd rather wear a helmet as well but at least the exemption doesn't directly and negatively impact on others apart from potentially the families and emergency services.
If you're asking whether I think that a religion should be allowed to discriminate on race then I suppose logically the answer has to be yes since there is already some discrimination allowed based on gender and sexual orientation - I rather think it is an all or nothing approach i.e. anti-discrimination laws should apply regardless of what a religion holds or we don't bother with them if we're trying to be fair (assuming that is even an aim).
If you're asking whether it is likely to happen then I'd say not, it seems unlikely ever to be allowed to flourish and be declared an official religion or even allowed as part of a subverted existing religion. Hopefully the issue will never come up but sadly I fear that the idea of us all living together in harmony marks me out as a bit naive.
Personally I would say that if you want to retain charitable status and any tax exemptions from being a religion then you need to comply fully with all laws. But that is primarily just for giggles.
I'd have no real problems with that, good luck getting that passed though.
Soldato
jedi religion is far more acceptable than the world being created in 6 days like 10,000 years ago.
complete ban on all religons, i would support such a law
complete ban on all religons, i would support such a law
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While I agree that the basics of the Jedi religion (force etc) to me are more believable than something I know to be false...
This is exactly the road we can't go down. We can't start picking apart religions just because we know they're a load of rubbish.
Associate
Love the first comment
"What can you say?.....
Sith happens"
"What can you say?.....
Sith happens"
Soldato
Why?
Because which opinion counts and which doesn't?
If you asked me to "judge" Christianity I'd rule it as stupid.
If you asked a Christian to judge anything else they'd say it wasn't good enough.
Etc.
Soldato
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I thought the Mormon religion already did this (or used to).
