Jenson v's Lewis

Skeeter said:
Aaaaaaand theres the problem with trying to include these stats. You have the Spa 09 incident that included both Button and Hamilton down as being the fault of Grosjean when counted in Buttons stats, but the fault of Hamilton when counted in Hamiltons stats.
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Im confused - didnt Hamilton win Spa 09 ?

dannyjo22 said:
I still think had Lewis been racing with the style of racing MS did, harder tyres sprint races split into 3 or 4 he would have been just about unbeatable.
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Except for McLaren's poor performing car for the last two seasons (from a championship winning car pov) , I would agree with this
 
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Skeeter said:
Nope, Kimi did. Button and Hamilton ended up in the wall at Les Combes on the first lap. Rather disappointing for me being sat on the bank at Pouhon and them not getting that far :(
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sorry Im thinking of '10 with Hamilton and Button 1st and 2nd and SV side swipping JB into retirement:)

(I was thinking that race as I thought we were only including the races they shared the McLaren - totally impossible to compare them in completely different cars imo)
 
FrankJH said:
sorry Im thinking of '10 with Hamilton and Button 1st and 2nd and SV side swipping JB into retirement:)
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Dude, bad memories your bringing up here...



:D

Hamilton being stripped of the win in 2008 for dubious reasons cost me £10 in mobile phone data too.
 
Skeeter said:
I don't think thats beyond the realms of possibility with the current regulations though. McLaren would just have to give him more fuel so he can do the whole race flat out and he would be able to make up the time deficit of an extra stop.

But thats just not how its played any more. Running a 'managed' race carries much less risk and is easier on the driver.
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hmm can current fuel tanks actually contain enough fuel for full out racing?

When was the last time we had a completely dry race with no SC period etc ( which would prove the above, im thinking anyway)

Is a "managed " race that much easier - surely they have to monitor so many more dials/ readouts and switch positions?

Skeeter said:
Dude, bad memories your bringing up here...



:D

Hamilton being stripped of the win in 2008 for dubious reasons cost me £10 in mobile phone data too.
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I will shut up now then - Im going home hahaha
 
FrankJH said:
Is a "managed " race that much easier - surely they have to monitor so many more dials/ readouts and switch positions?
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Swings and roundabouts I suppose, but its going to be far less risky than pushing your driver to be on the limit for ~90 minutes.
 
Skeeter said:
Swings and roundabouts I suppose, but its going to be far less risky than pushing your driver to be on the limit for ~90 minutes.
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You say like as if a driver driving a managed race isnt pushing for quick times for the same period - of course he is, but he also has to consider tyre management and where other cars are (especially ones on different strategies) to maximise those advantages.

One just has an artificial limit imposed by the driver, the other is the actual physical limit of the car - I think its harder to drive fast and keep that extra performance intact for when you need it than to just drive the nuts off it, but I think we will always be the opposite ends of the same argument...

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
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Driving fast is easy. Driving fast, consistently is the challenge.

Driving flat out is always more challenging than plodding around knowing you can put the hammer down when needed. I do agree that it becomes blurred when the driving has to decide strategy on the fly though.
 
Skeeter said:
Swings and roundabouts I suppose, but its going to be far less risky than pushing your driver to be on the limit for ~90 minutes.
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managing different things could still have the driver at his maximum for the whole race, ie on his limits - and conversely having the car at its own limits doesnt mean to say the driver is

One driver could be flat out and not really comparably bothreed - another driver could be tweaking everything under the sun constantly so totally at his limit



dont know whether anyone else saw the Stirling Moss/ Richard Hammond program yesterday , all about "brain" power before and after their respective accidents - was really quite interesting
 
Jenson for me (except his crash this weekend gone).

I'm always worried with Lewis that he'll pull off something a little wayward and hit someone/everyone, but Jeson generally seems to be pretty solid and reliable.

But it's great having them both at Maclaren it would be a mess with x2 Lewis type drivers there and imo would be like Lewis/Fernando all over again.

That would be fuun though :D
 
The problem is that Jenson is only fast if the car balance is absolutely perfect. Hamilton seems much more grounded than Button this year. My biggest concern is that McLaren have shifted their support to Jenson.
 
possibly...but he's more of a team player imho. JB appears less needy of his car recently as well, but LH always seems better able to wrestle a dog around
 
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