Well they are clearly incorrect. Sexual assault covers a range of offences. Rape is pretty clear cut. Everyone seems to understand this, dramadurf does not?
Jimmy Savile - Sexual Predator
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Well they are clearly incorrect. Sexual assault covers a range of offences. Rape is pretty clear cut. Everyone seems to understand this, dramadurf does not?
Depends if I've slipped roofies in her drink
Whilst I don't share hurfdurf's rabid response to these topics I do think that he does have somewhat of a point even if he does take it to extremes. Take the above sentence, we both know that you meant it completely as a joke and wouldn't actually contemplate it seriously but the fact that you can happily, even jokingly, refer to yourself as a potential rapist is a little saddening. Would you, in jest, refer to yourself as a shoplifter, drunk driver or child molester?
Coupled with the general misogyny on these boards I can see why hurfdurf may fly off the handle at times.
Hurf's point is that there is a culture that makes lesser forms of sexual assault seen to be acceptable in some quarters of the population, but not just that, but that woman are to blame for being assaulted.
To then have someone come into the thread and actually state that groping offences shouldn't be included in the stats because it skews the stats, does reinforce this point, even if it wasn't the posters intention to come across like that.
I am responding to the people who think that people who sexually assault other in clubs are an inevitable fact of life and that the people who are sexually assaulted shouldn't complain. I am also responding to the notion that rape is seen by many with no understanding of rape to be stranger daneger back alley violent rape when that only occurs in 6% of rapes whilst other rapes are just as serious but not seen as so.
We have had members defending Jimmy Savile, questioning why rape victims are complaining now and questioning their motives, rather than being horrified by the rape culture that has allowed what is very rapidly becoming a complete nightmare in this case to occur.
very few or anyone is actually doing that - you are simply flying off the handle calling anyone a rape apologist if they don't agree with you that we live in a 'rape culture' where rape is acceptable - get a grip and stop insulting people.
Stop apologising for rapists or being a rapist.
I hope that wasn't aimed at my comments? If so that's not what I meant at all...
I agree with most of what hurf says, he says it in a bit of an antagonistic way but he's totally right that a lot of people don't believe that many cases of sexual assault are particularly serious. Plus, this form is extremely misogynistic which is quite depressing. Generally, I think attitudes towards women are very poor but I'm unsure on how to change that.
Would I be quite so quick to label people here rape apologists? No. But, I do think that many people have the wrong view on what is right and wrong and that in many cases there isn't a grey area.
Plus, he's beaten this drum plenty in the past so it's obvious that it's a subject that he feels strongly in so I can excuse some of his more antagonistic statements.
Would I be quite so quick to label people here rape apologists? No. But, I do think that many people have the wrong view on what is right and wrong and that in many cases there isn't a grey area.
Plus, he's beaten this drum plenty in the past so it's obvious that it's a subject that he feels strongly in so I can excuse some of his more antagonistic statements.
Just to "cover my back" in case you were referring to me...
At no point did I mention at all that they should not be included in sexual assault statistics! My response was regarding the complete one sided nature of these sort of discussions, especially when hurfdurf is involved, where he accuses most men of being rapists/sexual assaulters but not pointing out there are probably more "lesser" sexual assaults by women on men than the other way round. It's far more socially acceptable to laugh at a man being sexually assaulted by a woman (say groped in a club) than the other way round... Why should that be the case? Who really wants a drunk middle aged woman coming up to you and sticking their hand between a mans legs (or groping a bum) any more than a drunk middle aged man doing the same to a woman...?
So yes, 1 in 3 women are probably sexually assaulted during their lifetime, that statistic probably being very similar for men being sexually assaulted... We never hear about the latter though!
You shouldn't joke about rape. Heres a non feminist rage like reason why that is well put.
And we shouldn't joke about murder, assault (of any kind) and while we're at it things like speeding and many other things.
Considering your catchphrase is "stand and bang" there is no way you can talk with a clear conscience about not joking about violent/immoral/illegal things.
So you think its OK to belittle rape victims and sexual assault victims because men are also sexually assaulted, but treated even more poorly, so your answer is rather than get annoyed about it all, is to bring it down and not get upset about both rape, sexual assaults on women, and sexual assaults on men.
Take a look at yourself for a second and try and realise that the correct response there is to be outraged accross the range of sexual assaults, not saying "oh well it could happen to me and no one would be upset so I won't be upset if it happens to others!", that is pathetic and makes you a rape apologist.
You need to go back to school because apparently you can't read...
Why can I not say they all need to be taken as seriously as each other...? Oh, I'm sorry I forgot... Only men do this kind of thing...
EDIT: And coming from hurfdurf, the violent thug apologist... Glass houses and stones come to mind again...
lol - nutcase.
When someone is murdered, we do not automatically blame the person who is murdered, we do not tell her or him it was their fault, we do as a society ask what they were wearing or tell them that they deserved it. When you joke about murder you are not accidentally or secretly telling other murderers that their behaviour is normal and that everyone is doing it. When you are ask a group of peoploe about whether or not they have murdered someone without using the technical word murder, a horribly large section of the people asked will not respond yes. We do not live in a culture where murder is normalised, we do live in a rape culture where rape is normalised.
I will stand and bang all day for both male and female victims of rape and sexual assault, I do not see the difference, niether should you.
You can conscent to stand and bang with someone. Ever heard of boxing? God damn rape apologists really don't think things through, and that is part of the problem.
