Jizzy's Log

Jizzy · 7 Aug 2019 at 21:51

EDIT: Build finished see photos page 2.

Original Post:
To start with this first post will be boring, but I'm going to use it to track my work trying to make my pc stable.

I'll post full specs later, but I'm running a 9900k on a old H115i.
Current Setup:
- Original SP140's original fans set to max (2000rpm)
- CPU @ 4ghz constant
- Idle temp package 61-64c
- Water temp 46-47c
- Voltage set at 1.1v in bios
- Max voltage shown on HWiNFO 1.092
- Hyperthreading Disabled
My temps are irregular, i could restart and get idle of 50c, restart again and have 60 again.
Screenshot:

- Load under Aida64 - for 26 seconds

Obviously something is not right. I have re-applied thermal paste 4 times with no real change in results. I know the 9900k run hot, but not this hot.
I am about to remove the cooler again, setup push pull with 4 brand new ML140's and a corsair commander pro for fan management.
I am also at the same time, going to put rubber washers on the H115i, if the ones I have purchased will fit correctly, as I have read the older versions sometimes have too long of a thread for certain motherboards.

I will post back after I've done this, also one last note, since typing this, letting the cpu cool it has now settled on idle @ 55c.

Jizzy · 8 Aug 2019 at 09:27

I didn't post again as it ended up being like 2am by the time I'd ran the Aida test and had to be up in 4 hours.

I fit the rubber washers I'd purchased, a bit of a gamble as I didn't know the size to get, but found a pack of multiple sizes on toolstation £2.29, so was worth the gamble. Used the smallest ones in the set. LINK

After squeezing in push pull with the ML140's it was a very tight fit in my TUF 501 GT Case, and really awkward to do. See the below photo (before ram was put back in, ignore the messy cabling, had to take off the shroud etc to get everything, will tidy up later)

Idle:
Current Setup:
- case open, no dust filters and both sides open
- 4 x push pull ML140 pro fans set to max (2000rpm)
- CPU @ 4ghz constant
- Idle temp package 39-41c
- Water temp 32-33c
- Voltage set at 1.1v in bios
- Max voltage shown on HWiNFO 1.092
- Hyperthreading Disabled

Aida after 30 mins:
Package Max temp: 68c but would fluctuate between 63-65c

So for now it appears that I may of solved my problem. However in the past couple of weeks I've had it work ok for a day or two and then the temps increase, possibly air in my AIO, so at the minute the air might be in the radiator but over time may move to CPU block and I see increased temps again.
For now I have set the fans on "quiet" mode which left them running about 750rpm and is much quieter. Still idled around 40c.

I also installed the Corsair commander pro unit to manage fans lights etc, really only needed for the fans, not fussed about lighting too much. However so far I am not too impressed as the Corsair link software kept loosing it and showing it again, then would show fans running at 10,000 rpm then loose connection again, but this was when I had all the other monitoring software open and running the Aida test, so may of been a conflict.

orbitalwalsh · 8 Aug 2019 at 10:43

dark rock pro 4 and get ALL those cores running 4.9ghz !!!!

Jizzy · 8 Aug 2019 at 13:15

orbitalwalsh said:
dark rock pro 4 and get ALL those cores running 4.9ghz !!!!

The plan will be to increase it further then 4ghz, but it wasn't even stable @ 3.6. Need to be stable and reliable before pushing it too much. As of last night's tests though its looking better at the moment.

orbitalwalsh · 8 Aug 2019 at 13:32

Jizzy said:
The plan will be to increase it further then 4ghz, but it wasn't even stable @ 3.6. Need to be stable and reliable before pushing it too much. As of last night's tests though its looking better at the moment.

bit odd as 9900k should be stable 4.6ghz all cores !

https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/intel/core_i9/i9-9900k

and normally you need 360 aio for running 5ghz all cores with 9900k - min i recommend is alphacools eisbaer 360LT which is 100% copper

Jizzy · 8 Aug 2019 at 13:58

orbitalwalsh said:
bit odd as 9900k should be stable 4.6ghz all cores !

https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/intel/core_i9/i9-9900k

and normally you need 360 aio for running 5ghz all cores with 9900k - min i recommend is alphacools eisbaer 360LT which is 100% copper

Its sort of why I started this log, as I was having issues and going to log it all down, but atm I'm using the 280mm H115i (old version) with push pull ML140 pro fans. Over the next couple of days I'm going to increase the Ghz once I know this is stable. I prefer bigger fans, so I've seen the 420 alphacool AIO, which after measuring when having everything out, might just fit with some minor modification to my case.

Jizzy · 8 Aug 2019 at 19:22

On bootup on the system today, fans still on silent mode, the temp is 53-56c. Case still open on front, and both sides.

Also, changing them to max, for 10 mins and theres no difference.

Edit: also forgot to mention, water temp on H115i was around 49-50c, aida tests made max temps get up to 85.

Jizzy · 8 Aug 2019 at 20:55

Update, I tidied up the wires a bit, put the dust filters, side panels etc. on and at the same time I tilted the entire case 45 degrees to raise the front and gave it a bit of a wobble. ( in my mind to move bubbles from the cpu block into the radiator )

Now on boot, temps are 37-40 on idle, 33-34 water temp. Running Aida atm, its around 60c after a couple of mins. Fans set on quiet mode and are running around 1250rpm under load.

Jizzy · 8 Aug 2019 at 21:55

After 1 hour of running aida, max temp was 64c, max water temp 41.5. Fans still set on quiet mode, about 1250-1300rpm.

Jizzy · 9 Aug 2019 at 20:34

Update for this evening. On booting up today I was getting 48-54c idle. Water temp around 41c.
Still very inconsistent results, but I suppose its hard to tell without an ambient temp, but will buy a thermometer tomorrow to give a better idea.
However I will say its not 10c hotter then yesterday.

Also after 30 mins of aida this evening, max temp got to 87c, but stayed around 80-82c for most of the test. Water temp 55c.
Even considering that it may be a slightly warmer day, its not 10-15c hotter then yesterday.

Jizzy · 10 Aug 2019 at 07:51

Update, spent 3-4 hours playing cod ww2 last night and at roughly 40-50% load my temps stayed around 60c.

This morning on idle i'm getting 47-53c idle temps. Water temp 41-42c.

Alan1969 · 22 Aug 2019 at 17:20

awesome system.

tyler_jrb · 28 Aug 2019 at 10:55

It is a bit strange as 100% of 9900k’s will do 4.7-4.8Ghz all core at those kind of temperatures.

Think mine at 4ghz does it at about 40 degrees on prime 95 even with my old AIO at minimum fan+pump speeds. Considering my old AIO only had two fans.

I’d say there is something wrong with that cooler especially with that water temperature unless the fans are completely switched off.

Cool log though hope you get it sorted and running as it should be.

Jizzy · 28 Aug 2019 at 11:32

tyler_jrb said:
It is a bit strange as 100% of 9900k’s will do 4.7-4.8Ghz all core at those kind of temperatures.
Think mine at 4ghz does it at about 40 degrees on prime 95 even with my old AIO at minimum fan+pump speeds. Considering my old AIO only had two fans.
I’d say there is something wrong with that cooler especially with that water temperature unless the fans are completely switched off.
Cool log though hope you get it sorted and running as it should be.

I was planning to post an update later, but yeah that was my thoughts, as the pump was on high, and the ML140 fans on push/pull set to high.
I'm planning to do a custom loop, but had other things come up which had to be taken care of first. Soon I'm going to dismantle the entire thing and see if I can make some adjustments to try and fit 2 x 420mm radiators in my case. Official specs says 360 or 280 on both top and front, but there is more space there, but might need some dremel adjustments.
I also have a digital thermometer now to log ambient temps as well.

Jizzy · 28 Aug 2019 at 21:52

Update for the day now.
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Idle

Ambient temp: 23.7c

CPU:
CPU Temp: 51c
CPU Usage: >5%
CPU clock: 4ghz (with speedstep enabled)

H115i
Water temp: 42.6c
Pump mode: Performance
Fans: 4 x 140mm (ML140 push/pull)

CPU V Bios Set: 1.1
CPU VID (HWiNFO): 0.703v minimum
CPU VID (HWiNFO): 1.087v max
Hyperthreading: Disabled

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Aida64 @ 5 mins

Ambient temp: 22.9c

CPU:
Max CPU Temp: 94c
CPU Usage: 100%
CPU clock: 4ghz (with speedstep enabled)

H115i
Water temp: 58c
Pump mode: Performance
Fans: 4 x 140mm (ML140 push/pull)

CPU V Bios Set: 1.1
CPU VID (HWiNFO): 0.703v minimum
CPU VID (HWiNFO): 1.087v max
Hyperthreading: Disabled

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Jizzy · 31 Aug 2019 at 08:40

Slight changes today, I've switched from Corsair link software to iCue.

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Idle

Ambient temp: 28.1c

CPU:
CPU Temp: 52c
CPU Usage: >5%
CPU clock: 4ghz (with speedstep enabled)

H115i
Water temp: 45.5c
Pump mode: Performance
Fans: 4 x 140mm (ML140 push/pull) @ 1300rpm fixed

CPU V Bios Set: 1.1
CPU VID (HWiNFO): 0.703v minimum
CPU VID (HWiNFO): 1.087v max
Hyperthreading: Disabled

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Aida64 @ 1 mins

Ambient temp: 28.3c

CPU:
Max CPU Temp: 94c
CPU Usage: 100%
CPU clock: 4ghz (with speedstep enabled)

H115i
Water temp: 53c
Pump mode: Performance
Fans: 4 x 140mm (ML140 push/pull) @ 1300rpm fixed

CPU V Bios Set: 1.1
CPU VID (HWiNFO): 0.703v minimum
CPU VID (HWiNFO): 1.087v max
Hyperthreading: Disabled

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It was hotter today doing the testing, but I only let the test run for 1min before it was @ 94c.

As its the weekend now, going to strip down the system, take everything out the case make a block of wood to the size of a 420mm radiator (roughly 460-470mm) and see if I'll be able to fit it in. The plan is if I can modifiy them to fit, get 2 x 420's in 1 on top and 1 in front and do a custom loop.

My issue with doing a custom loop is that my graphics cards are hybrids with AIO coolers but there would be no where to mount if I put a radiator in front, so either I sell them and buy new cards and blocks (or prebuilt cards with blocks).
Or I dismantle the cards, and try and mount a GPU block (not whole coverage of card) where the current block is for the hybrid but loop it up in my custom loop.

tyler_jrb · 31 Aug 2019 at 11:24

Even just a new AIO would solve all of your problems.

Does seem like a lot of messing around though to sell the cards. Buy new ones and blocks etc plus all the parts, just for a custom loop.

Don’t get me wrong custom loops are amazing, love mine. But with all the gear you have does seem a lot of hassle.

Jizzy · 9 Sep 2019 at 21:27

An update from yesterday, so I took most of the components out of the case so I could see if a 420mm radiator would fit in, but unfortuantely they won't. Not top or front ... atleast not without major holes being cut into this case.

However I did notice whilst looking closely at my hardware that there was too much tension on my graphics cards being mounted at the front, the tubes were just not long enough, which was causing my graphics cards pcb to warp/twist slightly.
So I changed from having the 2 to 1 graphics card, and mounted the radiator on the rear fan mount and threw another fan on it for push/pull.

From this:

To This:

After putting it all back together, I had issues getting windows to recognise the one graphics card, but after fully removing old drivers and re-installing the latest ones it corrected that. Windows was putting "Error 43" saying there was issues with the device.

Also on first boot, I thought I had fixed my CPU heating issues, as at idle it was running around 30c (ambient 23c), ran Aida test for about 35 mins and the hottest it got up to was around 60c, mostly at around 55c on load.

However as I restarted the PC a few times temps soon increased and now i'm idling at 55 again.

I also contacted corsair customer support today because I checked back and found that I purchased my H115i less then 5 years ago, which means it should be covered under corsair's warranty.
However my only worry is I don't have a replacement cooler to use if I send it back.

orbitalwalsh · 10 Sep 2019 at 10:13

will do the job

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/alpenfohn-brocken-eco-advanced-cpu-cooler-120-mm-hs-05j-al.html

170w tdp - mount one of your fans on the back of it in the mean time - cheap effective

Jizzy · 1 Oct 2019 at 20:51

So a large update. WARNING Lots of photos below.

I'm still in the process of dealing with Corsair and RMA'ing my H115i, I just need to send it to them ... however I have decided I am going to do a custom loop. I ordered all the parts I needed however some of the parts I didn't order from OCuk (Shame on me) so they haven't arrived yet. I've got most of the small bits, fittings, tubing, liquid etc. that I ordered from OCuk but the big stuff radiators, pump & res etc I ordered elsewhere.
I got 2 x used Heatkiller universal GPU blocks off MikeTimbers here on the forums to modify my 2 Seahawk hybrid 1080ti's and adapt the current cooling plate to work with the water block.
One GPU is still in use in the PC till I get all parts here, the other ... is below.

I didn't get a photo before starting so either look up at my earlier photos to see it in my case. Photos are a mix of phone camera & DSLR.

With shroud removed:

With the Corsair H55 block off:

Cooling plate off:

Now the mess begins, out comes the dremel:

Test Fit 1:

More dremel:

Test fit2:

More dremel:

Now it could have been finished there ... but my delivery still has not come. You have to do something to pass the time...

And then we get to the final thing, what you've been scrolling for ...

Yes there are plenty of imperfections in the painting & dremel work, at the end of the day I'm no professional, and most of it won't be seen once put in my case anyway. If I was worried about that I could have photoshopped it perfect so you would have never known anyway.

I will also say the original had a light up MSI logo, which I have preserved and should still work through the gold paint on the top but won't know until I turn it on once I get my other parts and do the loop.

I also changed it from a Sea Hawk to a Sea Awk.