Junior doctor strike: Union's pay demands unrealistic, says Steve Barclay

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Junior doctor strike: Union's pay demands unrealistic, says Steve Barclay

Many junior doctors will take part in a four-day walkout after the Easter weekend in a continuing pay dispute.
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I was reading about doctors going on strike. Then I read some want to move abroad etc... I was thinking if they do not like the pay they should leave the industry or move abroad.
The NHS will only change if it collapses and forces the stupid people of this country to go out and riot like the French. Otherwise, we will keep going round and round in circles and more people will die in the long run.
This country needs to constantly inflate property prices as a contribution component to total wealth, I personally don't think the UK can balance it books anymore.
 
Mrwong said:
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Junior doctor strike: Union's pay demands unrealistic, says Steve Barclay

Many junior doctors will take part in a four-day walkout after the Easter weekend in a continuing pay dispute.
www.bbc.co.uk

I was reading about doctors going on strike. Then I read some want to move abroad etc... I was thinking if they do not like the pay they should leave the industry or move abroad.
The NHS will only change if it collapses and forces the stupid people of this country to go out and riot like the French. Otherwise, we will keep going round and round in circles and more people will die in the long run.
This country needs to constantly inflate property prices as a contribution component to total wealth, I personally don't think the UK can balance it books anymore.
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They already are leaving, or using their qualifications as a stepping stone to other non-medical careers. Vacant consultant posts are at an all-time high and have been increasing year after year for the last decade. This strike action is the final pushback from those who remain. Mr Barclay's words, painting doctors as pariahs, will only serve to inflame the situation. This current government is despised by the medical profession.
 
It's a no win situation really. Doctors will move to private healthcare because they can charge more for their services, which means wealthy people won't have any issues getting to see a doctor. Meanwhile with less and less doctors left in the NHS, anyone looking to use the NHS for healthcare related stuff has an enormous wait time, or basic treatment. It will undoubtedly mean more of the poorer end of society will die earlier etc.
 
xaldub said:
They already are leaving, or using their qualifications as a stepping stone to other non-medical careers. Vacant consultant posts are at an all-time high and have been increasing year after year for the last decade. This strike action is the final pushback from those who remain. Mr Barclay's words, painting doctors as pariahs, will only serve to inflame the situation. This current government is despised by the medical profession.
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I dont think the current government should take all the blame, I think Blair and the Cons of the 90s were the ones that initiated the foundations and the path. Now it is about tweeting and squeezing to try and slow it down.
 
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Semple said:
It's a no win situation really. Doctors will move to private healthcare because they can charge more for their services, which means wealthy people won't have any issues getting to see a doctor. Meanwhile with less and less doctors left in the NHS, anyone looking to use the NHS for healthcare related stuff has an enormous wait time, or basic treatment. It will undoubtedly mean more of the poorer end of society will die earlier etc.
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Depends on the level of wealth, if your the average middle income earner, while you are in work you have company health insurance. Once they retire and do not have access to company insurance polices it becomes very expensive and/or possible not going to get insured, they too will face issues.
Only those with extreme wealth will be able to afford private care in their later years. Many in this country do not understand this logic flow.
 
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adidan said:
Yup, we've been asset stripped and too many people have had their hand in the till.
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I know a few people that are millionaires. One has 140 homes ( not in London and growing) that he rents out to local governments to house asylum seekers, he is now moving to Dubai and spoke about offshoring to Bahamas last time we spoke.
He spoke about splitting his company so he can apply to be a housing association to take advantage of grants, it would end up benefiting both of his entities.
 
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I imagine Steve Barclay is going to have an extra headache when the nursing / AfC offer is rejected at the back of end of this week too.
 
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I don't know enough about the specifics, but asking for a 35% payrise don't seem entirely credible at the moment.
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It is not a 35% pay rise. 10% would be inflation for the last year, the other 25% would be associated with below inflation wage increase over 10 years or so.
35% pay rise as some call it, is not a pay rise.
Any pay rise most likely be a between 0% and 5%, if that.
TFL train drivers pay of 75K may seem a lot, but they have kept their wages link to inflation, so even thou it seems a lot, it is not.
Even then it is a pay cut when you factor in fiscal drag.
 
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It is not a 35% pay rise. 10% would be inflation for the last year, the other 25% would be associated with below inflation wage increase over 10 years or so.
Out of that 35% pay rise as some call it. Any pay rise most likely be a between 0% and 5%, if that.
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Except it is a 35% pay rise. They are asking for 35% more than they are paid right now, therefore it is a 35% payrise.
 
xaldub said:
They already are leaving, or using their qualifications as a stepping stone to other non-medical careers. Vacant consultant posts are at an all-time high and have been increasing year after year for the last decade. This strike action is the final pushback from those who remain. Mr Barclay's words, painting doctors as pariahs, will only serve to inflame the situation. This current government is despised by the medical profession.
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And they are only too willing to use patients as pawns in their political shenanigans to show their abhorrence of the right. I have never known a previous time where GP's were condemned so vociferously for their lack of availability. Public support for the medical profession in general must be wavering already without junior doctors showing them contempt.
 
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And they are only too willing to use patients as pawns in their political shenanigans to show their abhorrence of the right. I have never known a time where GP's are condemned so vociferously for their lack of availability, public support for the medical profession in general must be wavering already without junior doctors showing them contempt.
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But we clapped for them every Thursday. Shouldnt that have been enough?
 
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It is not a 35% pay rise. 10% would be inflation for the last year, the other 25% would be associated with below inflation wage increase over 10 years or so.
35% pay rise as some call it, is not a pay rise.
Any pay rise most likely be a between 0% and 5%, if that.
TFL train drivers pay of 75K may seem a lot, but they have kept their wages link to inflation, so even thou it seems a lot, it is not.
Even then it is a pay cut when you factor in fiscal drag.
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£75k per year is more than twice the national average salary so it is fairly safe to say that is a lot.
 
We had 2 years of blowing smoke up their behinds in the name of covid

Stay home, protect the nhs, bang your pans for the nhs, shop discounts and nhs only opening hours

Whilst many did a fine job there were a lot that hid. From experience it became impossible to get to see a doctor, everything bar covid was kicked into the long grass

My MIL is still awaiting a hip op over a year down the line from it was supposed to happen

Public backing for these strikes is probably at an all time low
 
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