Junior doctor strike: Union's pay demands unrealistic, says Steve Barclay

neocon said:
How do you stop non resident women entering the UK heavily pregnant? Because you can't really leave them to elements once they are here.
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Every time I travel I buy travel insurance for 1 year with more than 30 days stay, and for multi travel. I do not expect the host health service to look after me for free.
If you can afford a plane/boat/ train ticket you can afford travel insurance.
 
Chris Wilson said:
Even a dinghy trip, which, by all accounts is far more expensive than getting to the UK by legitimate means. The NHS are haemoraghing money that the juniors are striking for dealing with these charlatans, (and the health tourists). It's in your own interests, juniors, to boot them out, unless those striking also have a political agenda ...
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Half of the problem is the Aunties in admin on the NHS. Every hour they are on a fag break, tea and digestive biscuit break.
Also there is a problem to reach consultant level doctors have to wait for one to retire to take their place.
 
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Chris Wilson said:
The capable and desirous juniors are but a moment in life away from being a consultant then. How much are they then on? Just for their NHS time, not for the private consultancy they also do in theri (imagined) free time? Often on NHS funded premises.
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Minstadave said:
I did. However, if you want to understand why it's incorrect then I'll explain, you don't have to have a consultant post to reach consultant level. You complete training via CCT or CESR, then you are consultant level, this doesn't require anyone to retire or there to be a post available. You can take up a consultant post at that point (or slightly earlier), a clinical fellow post, locum, do whatever you fancy really. On top of that it is very easy to find a consultant post in most specialities currently (there will always be a few where it is harder, but finding a post is not difficult at the moment).
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To reach the most senior position you need for someone to retire, those at the top work part time on the NHS and part time private, taking up the spaces, which annoys others that are just below waiting to fill their position. They don't expand the top positions.
 
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muon said:
I'd say it is more appropriate to compare to what actual salaries have been doing than comparing to (often used RPI).

There was the post Brexit/Covid squeeze in the labour markets, but other than that they are falling. Unless you work for an oil company with increasing revenues, its not possible to pay people in line with inflation. Unless you want the price of everything to increase 10% again over the next year.

The boom of the 2000s are a long distant memory.

The civil service in general have had minimal wage growth since austerity starter, and I can understand some form of catchup, but it needs to be more general (even if it is smaller as a consequence) rather than favouring a particular part of the civil service.

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it would be great to see in relation with tax banding. 1990 1 in 16 pay higher tax, 2024 1 in 6 pay higher rate of tax.
 
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bigmike20vt said:
that wage slip...... I guess I am just not with the times and don't get me wrong it IS less than I earn now (as a 47 year old with 15 years experience in my current job and 10 years experience in a related job). but that take home of 1800 quid for someone just 2 years in their job... it's way more than I was taking home even taking into account inflation after 10 years even in my field.
the job I do now requires a PHD and the starting salary take home is around that.

I agree it's not amazing...... but it's not diabolical either. imo the issue is how many hrs are they working. that is for me the offensive part. I don't really want a doctor diagnosing me and looking at MRIs or what ever on the back of a 15 hr shift.
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it really depends on the employment market. it depends on the area and if it is demand. interdisciplinary degree, Masters are the highest paid.

MSc Finance not as hot as MSc Finance with computer programming or MSc Finance with data science, or having both MSc finance and a Msc computer science etc...
MSC Engineering as the above list.

The days are long gone of a singular Masters subject.


Five years after graduation, the income gap between students who studied the subjects that attract the highest and lowest salaries can be considerable.
Graduates of medicine and dentistry earn an average of £46,700, while those who studied economics take home £40,000.
These figures are about double the average wages of creative arts (£20,100), agriculture (£22,000) and mass communication (£22,300) graduates.
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CaptainRAVE said:
Some of us also recognise it would kill off what’s left of the economy.
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If that will cause change then let it be. Your tax money is funding the elite which have latched onto the public sector as an area to making profits, helped by all political parties.
 
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casaubond said:
This is very short sighted... not paying them they would leave to other countries, similar to what happened in the past, doctors used to came in UK from various parts - now doctors are migrating to other places - the easier is Australia/ Canada/ NZ.
So it may in the end kill what is left of the population if the consultants of tomorrow have uprooted somewhere else
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Unfortunately, that needs to happen to get the country to march on the government.
Currently they are fat, lazy and selfish.
 
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Mrwong said:

Here is an example where tax money being diverted.
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This is their leadership lol.

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thenewoc said:
The free house is almost right, can't guarantee it will be a house but they're not going to living on the streets if their asylum application is approved, the local authority will find them a home. That right there is money that should be spent on public services rather than accepting illegal / economic migrants to have the opportunity to claim asylum.
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The process typically involves the council reaching out to a private landlord from their list of approved landlords.
The private landlord then purchases a home outside of London and leases it to the council for a certain number of years, during which time the council places asylum seekers in that home.

This expands the private landlord's housing portfolio, it comes at a cost to the taxpayer. Public funds are used to cover the costs of leasing these properties (can be expensive) poor t use of tax payer money.
Private landlords may take advantage of the system and provide substandard housing to asylum seekers, council pick up the repair bill.
Landlord now has the option to own the property or sell it ( keep the capital gains)if the contract is not renewed, they always renew.

btw council is guarantor for the landlord with the bank in most cases.

Brown envelopes.

This is how it was pitch to me by someone I have known for almost 2 years.
 
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