Junior doctor strike: Union's pay demands unrealistic, says Steve Barclay

adidan said:
The Home Office admitted that there is no evidence to claim large number of economic migrants.

Plus, they could help solve the boats and hotel situations if they wanted to. Process quickly, allow asylum applications outside the UK. Anybody who doesn't have a right to be here can go.

Or you could fall into their trap and blame foreigners for it all.
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Anything that comes out of the home office do not take it as fact.
They are really bad run by incompetents.
 
Minstadave said:
Back on to night shifts for me tonight to cover the strikes.

I'll make ready for the onslaught of transgender people, immigrants, health tourists but strangely will mostly just see kids with a fever.
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A hospital of that size and in that location you'll not see any.
 
Wizzkidy said:
Does anyone not have anything else to say about this? This in my opinion is absolutely criminal. 20 years later and with all a £1.98 increase? Is this really how it is in the NHS? How is this is even allowed?
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Because people do not strike and take anything that is throw at them in this country. Yes, sir, no sir, three bags full sir. The 99% (majority)British are subordinate.
 
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hurfdurf said:

The British public wanted it, and now the world is that much smaller, they are reaping what they have sowed.
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Repatriation to any country should not be paid by the state. it should be paid by the owners of East India Company etc.. , which is now owned by the Indians.
Wizzkidy said:
Does anyone not have anything else to say about this? This in my opinion is absolutely criminal. 20 years later and with all a £1.98 increase? Is this really how it is in the NHS? How is this is even allowed?
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Expected to get worse.
 
heeeed said:
In all fairness you can’t very easily compare the 2 payslips based on that as the one from 2000 was the old contracts before the ‘new deal’ of 2002.
However the job of being a junior doctor hasn’t somehow become cushier in the last 20 years, and the intensity has generally gone through the roof.

ignore the on call part and accept that 2 similar roles based on similar experience has seen no increase in 22 years
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you suggesting the new deal was the problem?
 
heeeed said:
It certainly has contributed to pay essentially dropping yes. The cynic in me says that was factored into the new deal being struck at the time with an intention to keep the overall cost in the longer term pretty much the same, but short term it looked better. They needed to do something at the time as the situation was untenable then also in different ways.

I was one of the cohort that benefited the most from it in all honesty, having started work at the crossover, but the short term benefits were eroded for future cohorts financially, and it didn’t take a lot of years for that to happen. Pretty much nobody did locums as a PRHO when I qualified, but F2’s that work with me in primary care are all doing them these days.

I see echoes in the GP contract of 2004 that initially looked good, but in the longer term is pretty dire for GPs
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heeeed said:
It certainly has contributed to pay essentially dropping yes. The cynic in me says that was factored into the new deal being struck at the time with an intention to keep the overall cost in the longer term pretty much the same, but short term it looked better. They needed to do something at the time as the situation was untenable then also in different ways.

I was one of the cohort that benefited the most from it in all honesty, having started work at the crossover, but the short term benefits were eroded for future cohorts financially, and it didn’t take a lot of years for that to happen. Pretty much nobody did locums as a PRHO when I qualified, but F2’s that work with me in primary care are all doing them these days.

I see echoes in the GP contract of 2004 that initially looked good, but in the longer term is pretty dire for GPs
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That destroy dental funding in this country. what killed this country War in Afghanistan, Blair, David and not for Brexit and May.
 
Uther said:
Exactly. Thirteen years of Tory government and this is where we are.
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Oh dear still with the pitchforks aimed at the Conservative.

Brainwashing and failed thinking it was only the Tories.
this country needs to fix how it thinks, then we can move on to the next problem on our list.

Everyone is taking advantage of our foolish British ideology. Prime example the French navy problem that arose yesterday, and we are still paying them for nothing.

You can't pay your doctor's a fair wage, you can't pay the majority a fair wage. Can't understand that everything is the problem, yet people get cut down and labelled.
 
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n111ck said:
Casually dismissing Blair's war crimes because Boris had cake on his birthday is the real mental gymnastics.

Let's not forget all the posters on here treating Krankie like some sort of saint only for the murder tent to appear in her front garden.

The current issues are due to the public running up the covid credit card and not wanting to pay the bill plus the nutter in Russia.

Unless you can explain exactly what Labour would have done differently with regard to covid or Ukraine then blaming the 'tories' is just lazy leftism.
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They can't, British are show how to point the finger but completely unable to put 2 and 2 together.

Always using phrases like stiff upper lip etc... to get the morons to accept crap.
 
bigmike20vt said:
I didn't disagree that some people do bring it upon themselves. .. . but many don't . I am not sure what the answer is to those who squander money.... esp when they have kids whom are unable to help themselves.

but all I can say there is the money is still being spent in UK business at least.
maybe long term benefits should be paid out in food vouchers with limited use but that would be divisive as well
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Giving those on benefits vouchers is not the problem, the problem is the idea. You want to even further control that group.
You are falling into the trap again.
 
Doobedoo said:
No it’s the way you phrased it that was strange, your wealth as in something that is outside of yourself, like you haven’t a vested interest. Didn’t you say that you was looking to get out of this country a while back?
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Yes, I am leaving this country, it can not be done over night, There are things I need to do first before I move.
 
200sols said:
Actually he seems to have a vehement hatred of things in the UK but when pressed for actual details he (with unnerving regularity) gets it 100% wrong.
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Wrong in your eyes, but then again Iam not the one complaining about my circumstances just about the way this country is run.
 
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