ThisPersonally I'm negotiating a move away from the UK pretty soon to north America.
(One less immigrant and good riddance perhaps?)
One week of work there is equivalent to a month's pay here
Yes if it breaches the legal maximum hours by law
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Nice way to avoid the question.This
What does it unlock:
- Regular hours without "unpaid overtime" lol
- Ability to emigrate with a skill
- increased pay
- incredible pension
But sure don't make the sacrifice for getting such a good deal, moan about how you have to do extra work.
Take your career into your own hands then, walk off, seek legal advice etc.
Dont come in here and moan off that you've agreed to it, again it gives you access to a long and rewarding career that most humans on this planet wont ever get to.
They are not qualified and in training.
Should everyone that does an apprenticeship that needs additional studying time get overtime now too? No they dont, they get on with it to work towards a career.
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I'm commenting after the fact, as I'm already well past that phase of life
Hence this
Personally I'm negotiating a move away from the UK pretty soon to north America.
(One less immigrant and good riddance perhaps?
One week of work there is equivalent to a month's pay here
Congrats on being older.I'm commenting after the fact, as I'm already well past that phase of life
Again you were hear to stick up for the JD's and just seem to point at you being past that rather than come back with a solution or challenge against it.
Thanks for the pointless replies.
Thanks for your pointless reply too
One week of work there is equivalent to a month's pay here
That doesn't sound quite right but I assume you have got a job lined up and have the figures on both sides.
My very brief research seems to suggest that the median doctors salary in Canada is about £115,000/year. Unless you were getting paid under £30k/year here, which as a consultant doctor I assume you probably weren't, I don't see how you are going to earn 4x as much in Canada.
I dont blame anybody for moving away for a better salary, but the pay comes at the expense of people paying thousands of dollars a month for a service they still cannot afford to use.As someone who has done it. That's not quite true.
Overtime is unpaid. Yes you can "claim" it back through time off in-lieu or in back payment but in reality this is pretty difficult as staffing is already stretched and I've never heard of any trust authorising the back payment. (I'm sure there are some trusts that will...but I've not heard of any).
Also to add that the pensions are now career-average earnings and not final salary. So whilst it's still pretty good by benchmarking against private pension standards...it's by no means "gold plated".
The pension is part of the remuneration package as the pay is pretty crap by professional benchmarks.
Personally I'm negotiating a move away from the UK pretty soon to north America.
(One less immigrant and good riddance perhaps?
One week of work there is equivalent to a month's pay here
We have our faults, but F-the american system.
Well then good luck to you. I hope the Canadians are too nice and polite to you and you hate it!
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The pension is no where near as good as it once was and comes with significant tax liabilities. The pension management system is also broken so it's almost impossible to get your figures to know what your tax liability is each year.
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Maybe we shouldn't be starting from the view point that people should be collectively expected to 'sacrifice' for their (potentially) 8 years of residency post qualification, as that's not indicative of a healthy working environment.
Maybe the real 'entitlement' is coming from the society that expects people to do something for nothing to prove they're worthy of the next stage of their career.
That isn't strictly unique to the NHS though. If you want to get ahead in any professional capacity, you work more than your 37.5 contracted hours usually unpaid and without TOIL
Well thats not the real gauge of if someone progresses to the next stage or not, you know that, I know that, we all do.
To become a professional, in any sense, it takes some sacrifice.
Those who dont want to make the sacrifice are the ones I worry about putting into service, especially in a health care environment.
I didn't say it was.
And the point remains the same - who is really entitled in these scenarios - the people who should be able to achieve their career goals by doing what they're paid to do or the people expect them to do extra work for free to prove they are worthy of it?
Just because it happens all over the place, doesn't make it any better really, it's a fundamentally poor expectation to have.
The people who dont want to be as fully qualified as possible before taking on the responsibility of human lives, but wants all the rewards and benefits of such a thing.
"juniors" on 60K+ says it all.
Potentially non professionals in here telling professionals to lower their standards.... Incredible.