Just a few SSD questions.

Wait.. you need 2 RAID controllers just to get the best speeds of 2 drives?, that's like what 100 quid worth on top of 2 SSD's what a rip off :(

What? You need nothing of the sort! No extra hardware required at all! You simply plug the drives into the standard SATA ports on your mobo and then set up the RAID in your BIOS - your Asus P6T Deluxe will have the Intel ICH10R controller built into the southbridge chipset and that is the best to use for RAID 0 or 1.
 
What? You need nothing of the sort! No extra hardware required at all! You simply plug the drives into the standard SATA ports on your mobo and then set up the RAID in your BIOS - your Asus P6T Deluxe will have the Intel ICH10R controller built into the southbridge chipset and that is the best to use for RAID 0 or 1.

I was just reading on another site and it said you needed 2 separate RAID controllers to get max speed out of 2 drives, so having my motherboard do that would not slow down the drives any?.
 
Apparently multi-tasking is a total no-no with SSDs? I've just read if you're downloading, and then try and do something else that needs HD access, like opening an application, the SSD just can't do both at the same time and bombs out. Is this right or poop?
 
Apparently multi-tasking is a total no-no with SSDs? I've just read if you're downloading, and then try and do something else that needs HD access, like opening an application, the SSD just can't do both at the same time and bombs out. Is this right or poop?

if that was true i think many people would avoid SSD like the plague, i like to run multiple things at once. if it means the drive is going to wear out faster then that is quite poor imo.
 
I was just reading on another site and it said you needed 2 separate RAID controllers to get max speed out of 2 drives, so having my motherboard do that would not slow down the drives any?.

No the drives are fine on a mobo controller - remember the SATA II will handle up to 300Mb/s and with each SSD having it's own SATA channel the current crop are nowhere near saturating the controllers capabilities yet. I have 3 SSD's in RAID 0 and 2 x 1Tb F!'s in RAID 1 all on the same controller with no probs whatsoever (my BlueRay drive is also on the same controller but obviously just as a stand alone unit!)

Apparently multi-tasking is a total no-no with SSDs? I've just read if you're downloading, and then try and do something else that needs HD access, like opening an application, the SSD just can't do both at the same time and bombs out. Is this right or poop?

I have no idea where you are getting that idea - SSD's run multitasking just fine thanks.:)
 
Ok last question before I stump out for one..

I'm running 2 F1's in raid 0 at the moment and love the speed, around 180mb/s read/write. If I upgrade to a single 64 or 128gb SSD, am I going to see a real world difference?
 
its HDDs that cant multitasking well, SSDs Far out do HDDs in that department (as long as its an good one)

1 SSD will out do any hdd be it in RAID as well (get Falcon, samsung or vertex or any SSD that has cache in it) if it has no cache do not buy it, it suck hard very hard sometimes

you got to ignore the data rate as its not that important as it is on HDDs its not the Read and Write speeds that make them fast or not its the access speeds (but the ones listed above do norm over 200MB/s reads and up to 180MB/s writes)

SSDs have less then 1ms access and can do that when accessing 10, 100 or 1000 files, HDDs have to Seek to where the file is and once you go beyond 2 reads HDDs norm Tank in speed department

if your looking for an cheap SSD the S128 (it has 32MB cache on it) is £171 from here its read speed is only 90MB/s read and 70MB/s write, but its access times are Very low like vertex based SSDs, i currantly own the SSD in my pc Right now eveyr thing just happens Right away, even from boot (you could put 2 of them in raid0 if you realy think data rate is important to you so you get 256gb for the same price of an 128gb vertex)
 
I just installed a Vertex 60GB in my PC. Before I installed the OS on it I ran an ATTO Disk Benchmark to see if it really met the specs advertised by OCZ. Result: Specs exceeded. Reads 240 and Writes 150 MB per second. I'll edit my post to add the benchmark here when I get home tonight.


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OCZ specs are "Read up to 230MB/s, Write up to 135MB/s". I think my reads are closer to 230 than 240, though, its hard to tell on this graph.

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I just installed a Vertex 60GB in my PC. Before I installed the OS on it I ran an ATTO Disk Benchmark to see if it really met the specs advertised by OCZ. Result: Specs exceeded. Reads 240 and Writes 150 MB per Second. I'll edit my post to add the benchmark here when I get home tonight.

Hmm, sounds like you are a happy camper then!? :D

Welcome to the SSD Club!
 
Looks like your speeds have dropped since installing windows?

i guess this is an indicator that the performance does drop with the more space you take up on an SSD.. still very fast though
 
Speed should only significantly drop once you've written the full capacity of the drive to the drive (not necessarily at the same time). Then there's no free cells to write straight onto, so the drive must clean a cell (which it doesn't do normally) before putting the new data onto it. This takes longer.

However a few manufacturers have a program which will activate the cleaning part when run, thus restoring the drive to normal speed. At some point once firmware catches up to Windows 7 the drive will clean the cell when the file is deleted (as you would expect it to), so the problem should entirely go away.

... I think!
 
However a few manufacturers have a program which will activate the cleaning part when run, thus restoring the drive to normal speed. At some point once firmware catches up to Windows 7 the drive will clean the cell when the file is deleted (as you would expect it to), so the problem should entirely go away.!

are the G.Skill/OCZ drives likely to have that updated in firmware or is it more likely to be in newer drives again?

plus does it have to be windows 7? why cant it be done on vista?
 
They are very likely to, but you can always run the program when the drive starts slowing and it'll go back to normal so it's not really much hassle.

It has to be Windows 7 because this is the only OS where a 'TRIM' function has been included to cater for SSD drives - when Vista and before were being developed SSD's weren't really around. Will it be retroactive? Probably not.
 
They are very likely to, but you can always run the program when the drive starts slowing and it'll go back to normal so it's not really much hassle.

It has to be Windows 7 because this is the only OS where a 'TRIM' function has been included to cater for SSD drives - when Vista and before were being developed SSD's weren't really around. Will it be retroactive? Probably not.

So this TRIM is a program? or do you need to boot into it while not in windows, last i heard to run TRIM didnt it delete all your data too or has it been updated?

Maybe i will buy an upgrade disc to windows 7 then even though i dont really want to, seems a bit of a waste of money imo since its really much the same OS.. hopefully it will be a lot cheaper because i have the retail version of Vista.
 
At the moment, "TRIM" is a verb. The program used to trim OCZ drives is called wiper.exe. The drive's firmware (FW) must be able to support a trim program. OCZ's FW 1.10 (1370) and the new one which will come out any day now both support trimming. You can trim with any OS as long as the drive's FW supports trimming. M$ has integrated a trim command into W7 that will trim SSDs if the SSD's FW supports it. An SSD should be trimmed periodically to keep it prime, same as you would defrag an HDD periodically. Trim is not the same as defrag. Defrag is an SSD killer.
 
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At the moment, "TRIM" is a verb. The program used to trim OCZ drives is called wiper.exe. The drive's firmware (FW) must be able to support a trim program. OCZ's FW 1.10 (1370) and the new one which will come out any day now both support trimming. You can trim with any OS as long as the drive's FW supports trimming. M$ has integrated a trim command into W7 that will trim SSDs if the SSD's FW supports it. An SSD should be trimmed periodically to keep it prime, same as you would defrag an HDD periodically. Trim is not the same as defrag. Defrag is an SSD killer.

Hi thanks for the info, do G skill have a program to do that aswell? because they are basically the same drive as OCZ vertex i think OCUK should stock them because they are cheaper aswell.

Also, is trimming the drive as slow as defragmenting a HDD? because i hardly ever bothered doing that it was so slow :p
 
Also, is trimming the drive as slow as defragmenting a HDD? because i hardly ever bothered doing that it was so slow :p

Ninja Please! would be best placed to answer this as he has used TRIM, but from what I remember he said it is very quick to do.

As another Vertex owner I am very interested in TRIM too but... atm it only works on single drives - not RAID arrays. Apparently there are RAID drivers on the way which will support TRIM, but not out yet.

I am running Win7 RC 7100 and it's so much faster than Vista64 was - I won't hesitate to buy a copy when it's finally released as apart from the overall changes to the OS it's the first one coded with SSD's in mind, and as a combination it's killer!:)
 
Not particularly related to any of the above, but here looks as good as anywhere. I'm reasonably sure

dd if=/dev/zero of=~/tmp.zero bs=2k && rm ~/tmp.zero

is exactly the same as trim. i've not tested this yet as I'm not really sure how to. Presumably windows can do an analogue of this. OCZ forums didn't think much of this idea, I got referred to the faq instead
 
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